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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Kobie said:
Ah, so now if he hasn't specifically denounced it, that's the same as calling for violence himself. And the goalposts are a'moving.
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He has a history of insulating himself from those he incites to such barbarism. his group, speaks in his name, he has not denounced his group's call for dead cops.

Do you deny that sharpton is a rabble rouser?

Do you deny that his million marchers called for dead cops?

Do you deny that he has not denounced his groups incitement?


You can cackle on about goalposts all you want. The point remains.
 
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Paschendale said:
There was no call for dead cops. There's just some dumb video of some people who weren't associated with the march at all shouting about it. The video might not even be real. But even if it is, those people had absolutely nothing to do with the march in New York City last Saturday, and that march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton.

If you want someone to blame for violence towards police, you should try the police, and the war of terror they've been waging against the poor (especially the black poor) if thus country for decades.
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Those were al sharpton's "million marchers" group. his group, specifically.


There is an issue with todays police, specifically escalation of responseses. it's not about "poor" or "black"

cops killed more whites than blacks in thier custody.
 
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Zyphlin said:
So you have some source you can provide with Sharpton saying "What do we want? Dead Cops?"
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Sharpton doesn't have to be the one that stated those specific words to be guilty. He incited people to anger with his rhetoric that did. He's the guy that runs in and pours the gasoline over racial charges, leaves town while others light the match to ignite the fire. What happened in Ferguson is now playing out in NYC.

What I find troubling is the company Sharpton keeps. He seems to be very close to the president and is advising the president over race relations. You got to wonder, who's funding Al Sharpton?

Another thing I find troubling is Eric Holder's actions through Ferguson and this incident in NYC. As he too has instigated racial tensions with his rhetoric and is using his position to run around the country every time a black person is killed by a police officer to see if he can find any civil rights violations or simply imply they were racially motivated to stir the pot. I think Sheriff Clarke described it best.

 
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eohrnberger said:
Was it, or was it not, a group of people that is lead by, or associated with, Sharpton that chanted this?

If Sharpton's their leader, he has some modicum of responsibility for their chanting, less so if they are just associated with him, and even less so if there is no association between them.

Sharpton, realizing that every word he says in public is going to be recorded by someone, is not going to come out and support violence, but that doesn't mean that he's not inflaming, agitating or inciting the same in his audiences, local, or via news broadcasts.

Freedom of speech, OK fine, but you also aren't allowed to yell 'fire' in a crowded movie theater. So I guess the next question needs to be has Sharpton shouted 'fire' to all those who pay attention to him?
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For **** sakes, what kind of a man of God would even stay at a hate fest like this? What ****ing US based excuse for fund raising teaches vengeance? Anyone who has even a working knowledge of the Bible knows that to wish someone dead is a mortal sin, as clearly laid out in this thing called The Ten Commandments, not the movie the book.

This slime is fostering this anger and hate, but moderating it with words that appear moderate, but spoken in an angry, inciting voice like a bad coach calling on his players to break the rules and rough up their opponents because they have no talent. This prick sees anger and violence as his ticket to more fame, which always translates into fortune.

Didn't Obama says this guy was his "spiritual leader"? If so, we now know why we have the most self centric administration in history
 
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Fearandloathing said:
How about the video in the OP?
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The video in the OP doesn't have him saying that. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you just got fooled by the horrible edit job and not bothering to actually research things instead of just taking the OP's word, so I'll explalin

The first video is from a protest in New York. A protest that Sharpton was not at and had no involvement with.

The second video is a fox and friends report showing part of his speech at an entirely seperate protest in an entirely different location (Wsahington DC) at an entirely different time of the day...that fox for some reason cuts away from, intersplices with footage from the new york protests (that again had NO involvement from Sharpton), and then returns to Sharpton's speech. Here is what he said in that clip:

"We're not saying all police are bad. We're not even saying most are bad. We're not anti police. But we're anti brutality. And the federal government must have a threshold to protect that. Second, the justice department must have a division funded to deal with this. Thirdly, we must have the power of special prosectuors, not the local prosectors".

So again, I ask you...do you have any actual link or evidence of Sharpton saying, or leading a chant, calling for dead cops?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

ReverendHellh0und said:
Those were al sharpton's "million marchers" group. his group, specifically.


There is an issue with todays police, specifically escalation of responseses. it's not about "poor" or "black"

cops killed more whites than blacks in thier custody.
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I was at that march. I spoke with the organizers. No one was coordinating anything with Al Sharpton nor was anyone working with him. And no one who was part of the march was shouting for dead cops.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Was it, or was it not, a group of people that is lead by, or associated with, Sharpton that chanted this?
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It was not Sharpton.

It was not a group led by Sharpton.

To my understanding, it was not a group "associatd" with Sharpton either...unless you're just saying all black people or black groups are associated with Sharpton.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Was it, or was it not, a group of people that is lead by, or associated with, Sharpton that chanted this?

If Sharpton's their leader, he has some modicum of responsibility for their chanting, less so if they are just associated with him, and even less so if there is no association between them.

Sharpton, realizing that every word he says in public is going to be recorded by someone, is not going to come out and support violence, but that doesn't mean that he's not inflaming, agitating or inciting the same in his audiences, local, or via news broadcasts.

Freedom of speech, OK fine, but you also aren't allowed to yell 'fire' in a crowded movie theater. So I guess the next question needs to be has Sharpton shouted 'fire' to all those who pay attention to him?
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Why is it that "progressives" encourage the censorship in the mainstream media, but cry, falsely, "second amendment" at the first sign one of their own may be a monster?

This guy is, no doubt. But no, you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, you cannot incite others to violence [cleverly done here] and you cannot, in sane countries, single out an "identifiable group" for any form of disrepute. Here, you may not get jail for robbery, but you will for what this prick is doing.

There is no "right" in anything he's doing, in fact the opposite made even more disgusting because he clearly doesn't even believe his own rhetoric, HE isn't going to march with the people he's stirred to action.

Martin Luther King weeps in his grave.
 
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Paschendale said:
I was at that march. I spoke with the organizers. No one was coordinating anything with Al Sharpton nor was anyone working with him. And no one who was part of the march was shouting for dead cops.
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Which march? time. place, route.

I'm in Chelsea bro. I might pick up if you are telling the truth or not. ;)
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
al sharpton's "million marchers" group.



link to him denouncing what his marchers said.
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Sharpton's protest was in DC. These guys are in New York. What evidence what so ever do you have that these peoples march has anything to do or is tied in any way with Al Sharpton.

Give me a break Reverend. With how quickly you (rightfully) condemn people who go off on the Tea Party as a whole, or any politician associated with the Tea Party, due to actions by individual elements it's laughable that you are up here trying to condemn Sharpton for what people at a rally he isn't even a part of are saying and suggesting he's some how needs to actively come out and "denounce" what some crazies within the protesters have said.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
For **** sakes, what kind of a man of God would even stay at a hate fest like this? What ****ing US based excuse for fund raising teaches vengeance? Anyone who has even a working knowledge of the Bible knows that to wish someone dead is a mortal sin, as clearly laid out in this thing called The Ten Commandments, not the movie the book.
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But we know that Sharpton is a man of God by his claim only. As you point out, he's not, and from my view, he's just hiding behind that.

Fearandloathing said:
This slime is fostering this anger and hate, but moderating it with words that appear moderate, but spoken in an angry, inciting voice like a bad coach calling on his players to break the rules and rough up their opponents because they have no talent. This prick sees anger and violence as his ticket to more fame, which always translates into fortune.
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I don't disagree in the least.

Fearandloathing said:
Didn't Obama says this guy was his "spiritual leader"? If so, we now know why we have the most self centric administration in history
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Dunno about that, but what I do know is that's it's been a long standing policy across multiple administrations, that only the squeaky clean are allowed to visit the White House, yet this Sharpton character is allowed many multiple visits in spite of him owing $4M in taxes, still hasn't paid his legal fines over Tonawanda Bradley conviction, or prolly a multitude of other unpaid debts and obligations. Rather interesting and telling, that. Says a lot about this president more so than anything else.
 
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vesper said:
Sharpton doesn't have to be the one that stated those specific words to be guilty. He incited people to anger with his rhetoric that did. He's the guy that runs in and pours the gasoline over racial charges, leaves town while others light the match to ignite the fire. What happened in Ferguson is now playing out in NYC.
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You're wrong. You're just flat out wrong. Unless there's some evidence of him inciting people specifically to violate the law you're just flat out incorrect, and so far you or anyone else have failed to provide such facts.

This is beyond ridiculous. It was beyond ridiculous when people flooded forward trying to blame "right wing rhetoric" in the past for problems and it's ridiculous now. If you want to say someone is acting irresponsible or is enflaming a situation...fine, that is a legitimate conversation. But trying to claim that Sharpton actively "contributed to the deaths" of these police officeres is asinine.
 
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Zyphlin said:
It was not Sharpton.

It was not a group led by Sharpton.

To my understanding, it was not a group "associatd" with Sharpton either...unless you're just saying all black people or black groups are associated with Sharpton.
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He's denouncing the killing, but you can't deny he didn't consider this as he riled up the rabble.


https://www.facebook.com/realsharpton/posts/10154897517485231?fref=nf


But it was his "million marchers" event.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Zyphlin said:
You're wrong. You're just flat out wrong. Unless there's some evidence of him inciting people specifically to violate the law you're just flat out incorrect, and so far you or anyone else have failed to provide such facts.

This is beyond ridiculous. It was beyond ridiculous when people flooded forward trying to blame "right wing rhetoric" in the past for problems and it's ridiculous now. If you want to say someone is acting irresponsible or is enflaming a situation...fine, that is a legitimate conversation. But trying to claim that Sharpton actively "contributed to the deaths" of these police officeres is asinine.
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I agree with you, it's free speech. I do think he was fast to whip up a crowd, and this is some of it's consequences. Is it his fault? No, it was the savage that killed the cops. but he missed an opportunity when at his march those protestors were chanting "what do we want. dead cops" that was when he should have spoken out.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Why is it that "progressives" encourage the censorship in the mainstream media, but cry, falsely, "second amendment" at the first sign one of their own may be a monster?

This guy is, no doubt. But no, you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, you cannot incite others to violence [cleverly done here] and you cannot, in sane countries, single out an "identifiable group" for any form of disrepute. Here, you may not get jail for robbery, but you will for what this prick is doing.

There is no "right" in anything he's doing, in fact the opposite made even more disgusting because he clearly doesn't even believe his own rhetoric, HE isn't going to march with the people he's stirred to action.

Martin Luther King weeps in his grave.
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What "censorship in the mainstream media" are "progressives" advocating?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I agree with you, it's free speech. I do think he was fast to whip up a crowd, and this is some of it's consequences. Is it his fault? No, it was the savage that killed the cops. but he missed an opportunity when at his march those protestors were chanting "what do we want. dead cops" that was when he should have spoken out.
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He wasn't there. It wasn't "his" march.

This is absurd. Blame Sharpton, facts be damned.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

****ing beyond digusting when partisan hacks here and elsewhere used the death of a little girl and the injury to multiple poeple to push their pathetic political agendas in the past, and it's beyond disgusting when the same kind of thing is happening here as well.

Al Sharpton did not call for Cops to be killed. Al Sharpton did not give any encouragement for cops to being killed. Al Sharpton did not advocate for any violence ot be done. Al Sharpton did not encourage for any illegal activity to be engaged in. Al Sharpton did not lead any chants calling for violence. Al Sharpton did not organize any protest aimed at spurring criminality.

If you want to say Al Sharpton used irresponsible language and needlessly enflamed a situation via his comments and his support for significant protests, that's completely reasonable.

If you want to suggest Al Sharpton specifically contributed to the death of two police officers you're being absolutely unreasonable and foolish, using horrible logic and guilt by association tactics at best, and outright falsehoods and dishonesty at worst.

Sickening, disgusting, and sadly not surprising from those who must toe follow their political agendas at all costs, principles, logic, consistency, decency, or reasonableness be damned.
 
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cpwill said:
:doh Yeah. I'm sure that the professor who was throwing metal trash cans off a bridge at cops was a secret conservative, as were the protestors who attacked the police when they moved in to arrest him. All of them there just to make Sharpton & Co. look bad :roll:


this is a famous left wing tactic (Salinsky used to advise college students to protest in favor of Republicans while publicly associating themselves with the KKK, and famously there was the call to infiltrate the Tea Party protests with racist signs), but not one that I've seen the right use much.
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I don't believe that was said. Both corporate and government provocateurs have been known to do this sort of thing long before even Salnsky was born.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I agree with you, it's free speech. I do think he was fast to whip up a crowd, and this is some of it's consequences. Is it his fault? No, it was the savage that killed the cops. but he missed an opportunity when at his march those protestors were chanting "what do we want. dead cops" that was when he should have spoken out.
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Again, still waiting for some kind of evidence or proof that the video of people chanting "what do we want, dead cops" was associated with Sharpton.

You and others keep claiming it. If it's true it shouldn't be hard to provide some evidence of it other than just continually saying "it was his million marchers event".

I have found zero evidence thus far suggesting Al Sharpton organized a "million marchers" event in New York City. Nothing. All I keep finding is right wing sources claiming that these protesters are part of the "million marchers" protest and that said protest was Sharptons, and yet each link I go to has nothing actually verifying any of those claims.

And I ask again, if this was just a protest that wasn't organized by him, wasn't attended by him, and had no other direct tie to him...but simply used the same name and general message of a different protest by him...how is demanding him to come out a week ago and proactively condemn every crazy thing any of the protestors said any different than expecting every tea party backed politician or leader to come out and routinely and continually proactively condemn every crazy thing any protester at any random event that claims to be "tea party" based? For ****s sake, this is ridiculous over reach here in attempting to smear and cast guilt upon Sharpton. Ridiculous, doubly so given your (rightful) attitude towards those who try this kind of crap towards the tea party.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Sharpton's protest was in DC. These guys are in New York. What evidence what so ever do you have that these peoples march has anything to do or is tied in any way with Al Sharpton.
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I'm actually looking for the flyer. I will scan it and post if if I haven't thrown it out. I believe it was a NAN flyer about the "national day of resistance" or somesuch, links to past events see, not to be available on the website.



Give me a break Reverend. With how quickly you (rightfully) condemn people who go off on the Tea Party as a whole, or any politician associated with the Tea Party, due to actions by individual elements it's laughable that you are up here trying to condemn Sharpton for what people at a rally he isn't even a part of are saying and suggesting he's some how needs to actively come out and "denounce" what some crazies within the protesters have said.
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This is not the same thing at all. I believe most of the protesters are good, fine people, and I agree with alot of what is being said, there is some I don't agree with. What I am saying is that some of the rhetoric by the race hustlers does indeed incite this type of behavior.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Which march? time. place, route.

I'm in Chelsea bro. I might pick up if you are telling the truth or not. ;)
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The big one that marched up and down Broadway and then gathered outside the NYPD building. The one you're talking about. Not a one of us were talking to or about Al Sharpton, nor were any of us calling for violence against police.

Does it bother you to have to rely on lies to make your point? Like, if you had a good point to make, the truth would bear it out. But that's not what's happening here. Does that do anything to dissuade you?
 
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Paschendale said:
I was at that march. I spoke with the organizers. No one was coordinating anything with Al Sharpton nor was anyone working with him. And no one who was part of the march was shouting for dead cops.
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Zyphlin said:
It was not Sharpton.

It was not a group led by Sharpton.

To my understanding, it was not a group "associatd" with Sharpton either...unless you're just saying all black people or black groups are associated with Sharpton.
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FLASHBACK: Al Sharpton's Marchers in New York City Chant "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!" - Katie Pavlich

Hmm. Why would it be reported as 'Sharpton's marchers'?

The ones chanting, that no one knows where they came from, were they bussed in from Ferguson perhaps? Seems like these malcontents and trouble makers they are all over the place.
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Zyphlin said:
You're wrong. You're just flat out wrong. Unless there's some evidence of him inciting people specifically to violate the law you're just flat out incorrect, and so far you or anyone else have failed to provide such facts.

This is beyond ridiculous. It was beyond ridiculous when people flooded forward trying to blame "right wing rhetoric" in the past for problems and it's ridiculous now. If you want to say someone is acting irresponsible or is enflaming a situation...fine, that is a legitimate conversation. But trying to claim that Sharpton actively "contributed to the deaths" of these police officeres is asinine.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But ask yourself, why is it wherever Al Sharpton shows up bad things happen?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Zyphlin said:
Again, still waiting for some kind of evidence or proof that the video of people chanting "what do we want, dead cops" was associated with Sharpton.

You and others keep claiming it. If it's true it shouldn't be hard to provide some evidence of it other than just continually saying "it was his million marchers event".
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I'm just going by what I saw. And you are right, maybe I misread something, I am looking for the flier.

I have found zero evidence thus far suggesting Al Sharpton organized a "million marchers" event in New York City. Nothing. All I keep finding is right wing sources claiming that these protesters are part of the "million marchers" protest and that said protest was Sharptons, and yet each link I go to has nothing actually verifying any of those claims.
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I will concede this, I can't find it. let me amend my position. when this **** was happening, and the garbage cans rained down from stories above onto unsuspecting cops, when white upper middle class CUNY dudes attack cops on the brooklyn bridge, these same "organizers" need to come out and say this is not us. they don't until another funeral is planned.
 
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