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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Let me get this straight.

People are responsible for their own actions. However, a man with a record of arrests, no indication of joining any protests, and may be mentally unstable, shoots his girlfriend in Baltimore and then travels to New York to shoot a pair of police officers, is not responsible. The blame lies with a political grandstander

Or: Leftists duck responsibility by blaming problems on larger social structures and externalities. Conservatives obviously don't do that when they, uh... try to portray the shooter as not actually responsible for his own actions, because he was just doing what other people told him to do. Even though no one, including Sharpton, actually told anyone to gun down police officers in broad daylight, or endorsed the use of violence against the NYPD.

Huh?

Blaming this on Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or protestors is not about proper attribution of responsibility. The murder of officers Ramos and Liu is not a result of anything Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or any protests. If Sharpton did not exist, if Lhota or Quinn had been elected instead of Di Blasio, then citizens would still be livid about police abuse; there would still be national protests over the Brown and Garner grand jury debacles; and Brinsley almost certainly would have shot someone.

If you really want someone to "take responsibility," then perhaps you should support holding the handful of abusive NYPD officers accountable for their actions, and support revisions of police policies that make them less antagonistic to the communities they are supposed to protect.

At no point did I absolve the shooter of his responsibility in the matter. Had he lived, that would have been up to a jury and a court to determine, including a determination of his mental capacity. It would have been an interesting trial and I would have loved to hear his testimony of why he drove to NYC to kill cops.

But only an utter fool would fail to see the connection between the anti-cop hate speech and rhetoric directed at NYC police officers in general following the Garner GJ decision and a man traveling from Baltimore to NYC in order to seek out retribution against police officers. Go ahead, explain why the man didn't just shoot a couple of cops in Baltimore if his actions had nothing to do with the anti-cop speech directed at NYC police officers.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy.....i am surprised all the evil things said about Obama by the right that he is still alive.....remember him hanging from a noose.. he is a hitler a dictator how many politicians called Obama that......ooooohhhh but i am sure that's different

It's ignorant statements like this that sometimes lead the mentally unstable to do unthinkable things. Where's your proof - statistical or even anecdotal, that "cops keep killing people at will"? Words have meaning and substance even if you're just trying to be "edgy".
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Go ahead, explain why the man didn't just shoot a couple of cops in Baltimore if his actions had nothing to do with the anti-cop speech directed at NYC police officers.

Are you really suggesting it's hard to suggest a potential reason why he would've shot a couple of cops in New York instead of in Baltimore OTHER than because of "anti-cop speech direct at NYC Police Officers"?

Okay, I'll give it a try.

A reason he may've decided to shoot NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops is because Garner was killed by NYC cops, and thus he may've wanted to kill people on the police for that killed garner.

There, that wasn't very hard to come up with a reason that didn't have to do with "speech" at all, and said reason has just as much legitimacy (arguably more, based on him directly talking about garner being killed, not about protests about garner being killed) as what you're suggesting.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will

Glad (or perhaps that should be Sad) to know ridiculous and stupid comments aren't limited to only one side of this debate. This kind of hyperbolic and ridiculous claims helps nothing and does exasserbate the unrest out there. Cops are not "killing people at will".
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?




What do we want? Dead cops!

In a sane world that would be incitement to violence at least, if not incitement to riot. He gets five behind bars.

I guess he'd be cool and say it is not anti-negro to chant "What to we want? Dead blacks!" No, he would be able to see that with the same gutter mentality and maggot brained rhetoric he's spewing. A true "leader" and "man of God" would call for peace, a believer in Jesus would place his own life at risk to affect that peace. This lined pockets friend of the president is using the cross for his own ego trip, showing up at every tragedy to roil the waters, make people more angry than they are. What religion teaches this? Satanism?

The man is a menace, engaging in outright racism for his own popularity and income, playing off his close friendship with the most incompetent president in modern history for the rush of the applause like a two bit aging rock star whose talent has long faded.

Please, will someone take this mentally diseased prick's passport away? For Canadians, the cost of arresting him and jailing him for being a racist is too high and shooting pricks like him is no longer legal for some reason.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

What do we want? Dead cops!

In a sane world that would be incitement to violence at least, if not incitement to riot. He gets five behind bars.

So you have some source you can provide with Sharpton saying "What do we want? Dead Cops?"
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Considering it likely went over your head, conservatives believe that being responsible for your own actions also includes responsibility for your own words. Liberals, even the fake Libertarian kind, believe they can spew whatever hate they want and then step back and wash their hands of the havoc they may cause.

Give me the quote where Sharpton advocates violence against cops.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?




How insightful.

Words. The friends of the least of president's have to learn to use words in full sentences with verbs and predicates, you can leave the confusing part, adjectives and participles for later.

I guess you're cool with a call to kill people. How about this? "What do we want? Dead Democrats!"

That's all right in your book.

Don't ever try to tell anyone outside the Excited States that Obama's crowd aren't the biggest racists to come along since the KKK.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

How insightful.

Words. The friends of the least of president's have to learn to use words in full sentences with verbs and predicates, you can leave the confusing part, adjectives and participles for later.

I guess you're cool with a call to kill people. How about this? "What do we want? Dead Democrats!"

That's all right in your book.

Don't ever try to tell anyone outside the Excited States that Obama's crowd aren't the biggest racists to come along since the KKK.

Provide the quote where anyone remotely associated with Obama called for dead cops.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Unless there is evidence that Sharpton was involved in the chanting about dead cops, (which I doubt exists, he isn't that stupid) he is not to blame. Protest organizers and leaders can not control who attends a protest and what they do. It often happens that some idiots will show up to make the protest look bad with their behavior.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Several years ago the KKK was pretty much ruined after losing a large civil lawsuit over inflammatory speech that contributed to a death. I don't see much difference between the incitement to violence from Sharpton and what the head of the KKK was doing.

On the other hand, I hate the idea that the speech makers, exercising their free speech, should be held liable for every idiot and psychopath who does something and it somehow trace back to the speech maker. Video games don't kill. Music doesn't kill. Speeches don't kill. Books don't kill. Blame the murderer.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Now you're pretending you never heard anyone advocate "2nd amendment solutions" to political discourse.

You mean Voltaire?

I've heard some nutters. I don't think I've heard anyone who has visited any Republican White House with that kind of regularity calling for assassination. Could you point us to them?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

You mean Voltaire?

I've heard some nutters. I don't think I've heard anyone who has visited any Republican White House with that kind of regularity calling for assassination. Could you point us to them?

Al Sharpton hasn't called for violence either.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Unless there is evidence that Sharpton was involved in the chanting about dead cops, (which I doubt exists, he isn't that stupid) he is not to blame. Protest organizers and leaders can not control who attends a protest and what they do. It often happens that some idiots will show up to make the protest look bad with their behavior.

:doh Yeah. I'm sure that the professor who was throwing metal trash cans off a bridge at cops was a secret conservative, as were the protestors who attacked the police when they moved in to arrest him. All of them there just to make Sharpton & Co. look bad :roll:


this is a famous left wing tactic (Salinsky used to advise college students to protest in favor of Republicans while publicly associating themselves with the KKK, and famously there was the call to infiltrate the Tea Party protests with racist signs), but not one that I've seen the right use much.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

About as much as radical right-wing rhetoric was responsible for Gabrielle Giffords getting shot in the head.



uhm, it wasn't, some nutjob who was more of a leftist if you had to label the guy that shot her and those others. but no, he was a paranoid schizophrenic.


in this case you have al sharpton's rabble rousing including calling for dead cops, and a perpetrator who acted if not soley, at least partially on that sentiment as you can see by his instagrams.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

What do we want? Dead cops!

In a sane world that would be incitement to violence at least, if not incitement to riot. He gets five behind bars.

I guess he'd be cool and say it is not anti-negro to chant "What to we want? Dead blacks!" No, he would be able to see that with the same gutter mentality and maggot brained rhetoric he's spewing. A true "leader" and "man of God" would call for peace, a believer in Jesus would place his own life at risk to affect that peace. This lined pockets friend of the president is using the cross for his own ego trip, showing up at every tragedy to roil the waters, make people more angry than they are. What religion teaches this? Satanism?

The man is a menace, engaging in outright racism for his own popularity and income, playing off his close friendship with the most incompetent president in modern history for the rush of the applause like a two bit aging rock star whose talent has long faded.

Please, will someone take this mentally diseased prick's passport away? For Canadians, the cost of arresting him and jailing him for being a racist is too high and shooting pricks like him is no longer legal for some reason.

An excellent and accurate summary of Sharpton and his actions. Well done, and I thank you.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

uhm, it wasn't, some nutjob who was more of a leftist if you had to label the guy that shot her and those others. but no, he was a paranoid schizophrenic.


in this case you have al sharpton's rabble rousing including calling for dead cops, and a perpetrator who acted if not soley, at least partially on that sentiment as you can see by his instagrams.

Provide the quote of Al Sharpton calling for dead cops.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Al Sharpton hasn't called for violence either.

True. He's smarter than that. But it's a bit disingenuous at the same time to tell people that their children are being marked for death and targeted by Evil Group A, that Evil Group A deserves No Peace, and then pretend to be astonished that the people you are talking to come to the rational conclusion that therefore they must commit violence against E.G.A.

It's worth noting that his perceived double-backing on the issue apparently is also part of why a younger generation of protestors are no longer taking him seriously.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

So you have some source you can provide with Sharpton saying "What do we want? Dead Cops?"

How about the video in the OP?

Was it, or was it not, a group of people that is lead by, or associated with, Sharpton that chanted this?

If Sharpton's their leader, he has some modicum of responsibility for their chanting, less so if they are just associated with him, and even less so if there is no association between them.

Sharpton, realizing that every word he says in public is going to be recorded by someone, is not going to come out and support violence, but that doesn't mean that he's not inflaming, agitating or inciting the same in his audiences, local, or via news broadcasts.

Freedom of speech, OK fine, but you also aren't allowed to yell 'fire' in a crowded movie theater. So I guess the next question needs to be has Sharpton shouted 'fire' to all those who pay attention to him?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Provide the quote of Al Sharpton calling for dead cops.



al sharpton's "million marchers" group.




link to him denouncing what his marchers said.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

al sharpton's "million marchers" group.




link to him denouncing what his marchers said.


Ah, so now if he hasn't specifically denounced it, that's the same as calling for violence himself. And the goalposts are a'moving.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Unless there is evidence that Sharpton was involved in the chanting about dead cops, (which I doubt exists, he isn't that stupid) he is not to blame. Protest organizers and leaders can not control who attends a protest and what they do. It often happens that some idiots will show up to make the protest look bad with their behavior.


If you're trying to say he's clean because there is no video of him saying the words, you are being dishonest.

At the very least [you you refuse to believe that is not his voice leading the chant] he is encouraging the hate filled chant. he is present and engaged and therefore is giving tacit approval. Like a snake of Biblical proportions, this so called "man of God" hypocritical thug is saying one thing and doing another.

It is extremely distasteful and racist to further the hatred, drive a deeper wedge and incite more anger.

Your lame, petty and nit picking defense of this bastard is beyond the pale and proves that American progressives need a racist divide to be successful./

This prick belongs in a zoo cage with a label on it "Danger! To not feed!"
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

There was no call for dead cops. There's just some dumb video of some people who weren't associated with the march at all shouting about it. The video might not even be real. But even if it is, those people had absolutely nothing to do with the march in New York City last Saturday, and that march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton.

If you want someone to blame for violence towards police, you should try the police, and the war of terror they've been waging against the poor (especially the black poor) if thus country for decades.
 
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