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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Considering it likely went over your head, conservatives believe that being responsible for your own actions also includes responsibility for your own words. Liberals, even the fake Libertarian kind, believe they can spew whatever hate they want and then step back and wash their hands of the havoc they may cause.
    Let me get this straight.

    People are responsible for their own actions. However, a man with a record of arrests, no indication of joining any protests, and may be mentally unstable, shoots his girlfriend in Baltimore and then travels to New York to shoot a pair of police officers, is not responsible. The blame lies with a political grandstander

    Or: Leftists duck responsibility by blaming problems on larger social structures and externalities. Conservatives obviously don't do that when they, uh... try to portray the shooter as not actually responsible for his own actions, because he was just doing what other people told him to do. Even though no one, including Sharpton, actually told anyone to gun down police officers in broad daylight, or endorsed the use of violence against the NYPD.

    Huh?

    Blaming this on Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or protestors is not about proper attribution of responsibility. The murder of officers Ramos and Liu is not a result of anything Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or any protests. If Sharpton did not exist, if Lhota or Quinn had been elected instead of Di Blasio, then citizens would still be livid about police abuse; there would still be national protests over the Brown and Garner grand jury debacles; and Brinsley almost certainly would have shot someone.

    If you really want someone to "take responsibility," then perhaps you should support holding the handful of abusive NYPD officers accountable for their actions, and support revisions of police policies that make them less antagonistic to the communities they are supposed to protect.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy.....i am surprised all the evil things said about Obama by the right that he is still alive.....remember him hanging from a noose.. he is a hitler a dictator how many politicians called Obama that......ooooohhhh but i am sure that's different
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Didn't he lead the same march in 3 cities? And the rhetoric was the same, now cops are dead.
    My understanding is that Sharpton was leading a march in Washington D.C. at the time the protesters in NYC were chanting about killing cops.

    I've heard nothing at all that indicated Sharpton supported the idea of killing cops, either tacitly or implicitly.

    It's also my understanding that both Sharpton and Gwen Carr (Eric Garner's mother) have condemned the police killings in NYC.

    I think Sharpton is a race hustling douchebag, but I don't see how he can be tied to the execution of police officers.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    i did not hear al Sharpton say kill or hurt police or disobey any orders given by the police so quit blaming him....in fact he said have only a peaceful demonstration or march he repeated this over and over and you know this...the problem is you feel he has no right to talk about police making mistakes....in fact no one has the right to talk about police making mistakes or using bad procedures with citizens...they are not gods.....a citizen has no rights when it comes to how a police treats us and they can do whatever they want to us in the streets period now after saying that all police are not bad at all.. most use good judgement and care about human life this also goes for black people to
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Naw, I think the mass media's crap coverage did.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Let me get this straight.

    People are responsible for their own actions. However, a man with a record of arrests, no indication of joining any protests, and may be mentally unstable, shoots his girlfriend in Baltimore and then travels to New York to shoot a pair of police officers, is not responsible. The blame lies with a political grandstander

    Or: Leftists duck responsibility by blaming problems on larger social structures and externalities. Conservatives obviously don't do that when they, uh... try to portray the shooter as not actually responsible for his own actions, because he was just doing what other people told him to do. Even though no one, including Sharpton, actually told anyone to gun down police officers in broad daylight, or endorsed the use of violence against the NYPD.

    Huh?

    Blaming this on Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or protestors is not about proper attribution of responsibility. The murder of officers Ramos and Liu is not a result of anything Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or any protests. If Sharpton did not exist, if Lhota or Quinn had been elected instead of Di Blasio, then citizens would still be livid about police abuse; there would still be national protests over the Brown and Garner grand jury debacles; and Brinsley almost certainly would have shot someone.

    If you really want someone to "take responsibility," then perhaps you should support holding the handful of abusive NYPD officers accountable for their actions, and support revisions of police policies that make them less antagonistic to the communities they are supposed to protect.
    At no point did I absolve the shooter of his responsibility in the matter. Had he lived, that would have been up to a jury and a court to determine, including a determination of his mental capacity. It would have been an interesting trial and I would have loved to hear his testimony of why he drove to NYC to kill cops.

    But only an utter fool would fail to see the connection between the anti-cop hate speech and rhetoric directed at NYC police officers in general following the Garner GJ decision and a man traveling from Baltimore to NYC in order to seek out retribution against police officers. Go ahead, explain why the man didn't just shoot a couple of cops in Baltimore if his actions had nothing to do with the anti-cop speech directed at NYC police officers.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy.....i am surprised all the evil things said about Obama by the right that he is still alive.....remember him hanging from a noose.. he is a hitler a dictator how many politicians called Obama that......ooooohhhh but i am sure that's different
    It's ignorant statements like this that sometimes lead the mentally unstable to do unthinkable things. Where's your proof - statistical or even anecdotal, that "cops keep killing people at will"? Words have meaning and substance even if you're just trying to be "edgy".
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Go ahead, explain why the man didn't just shoot a couple of cops in Baltimore if his actions had nothing to do with the anti-cop speech directed at NYC police officers.
    Are you really suggesting it's hard to suggest a potential reason why he would've shot a couple of cops in New York instead of in Baltimore OTHER than because of "anti-cop speech direct at NYC Police Officers"?

    Okay, I'll give it a try.

    A reason he may've decided to shoot NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops is because Garner was killed by NYC cops, and thus he may've wanted to kill people on the police for that killed garner.

    There, that wasn't very hard to come up with a reason that didn't have to do with "speech" at all, and said reason has just as much legitimacy (arguably more, based on him directly talking about garner being killed, not about protests about garner being killed) as what you're suggesting.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will
    Glad (or perhaps that should be Sad) to know ridiculous and stupid comments aren't limited to only one side of this debate. This kind of hyperbolic and ridiculous claims helps nothing and does exasserbate the unrest out there. Cops are not "killing people at will".
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.








    Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


    What do we want? Dead cops!

    In a sane world that would be incitement to violence at least, if not incitement to riot. He gets five behind bars.

    I guess he'd be cool and say it is not anti-negro to chant "What to we want? Dead blacks!" No, he would be able to see that with the same gutter mentality and maggot brained rhetoric he's spewing. A true "leader" and "man of God" would call for peace, a believer in Jesus would place his own life at risk to affect that peace. This lined pockets friend of the president is using the cross for his own ego trip, showing up at every tragedy to roil the waters, make people more angry than they are. What religion teaches this? Satanism?

    The man is a menace, engaging in outright racism for his own popularity and income, playing off his close friendship with the most incompetent president in modern history for the rush of the applause like a two bit aging rock star whose talent has long faded.

    Please, will someone take this mentally diseased prick's passport away? For Canadians, the cost of arresting him and jailing him for being a racist is too high and shooting pricks like him is no longer legal for some reason.
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