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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Arrests are not always discretionary- take pot for instance. That's still illegal federally. However, since many states are legalizing it, many departments/districts are laxing their arrests for pot (unless obviously they are committing other crimes as well). Some states still have ZERO TOLERANCE. That means, if you have pot you go to jail. That's not discretionary. I don't know why you're having so much trouble grasping this.
    Because your wrong.

    The arresting officer has the discretion to not make a arrest. Just like a speeding ticket.

    Also you completely ignore that make up probable cause to pull people over all the time, and That they even falsify charges to meet quotas if there happens to not be allot of crime. If they really did not want to make arrests, why would they do these things?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Because your wrong.

    The arresting officer has the discretion to not make a arrest. Just like a speeding ticket.

    Also you completely ignore that make up probable cause to pull people over all the time, and That they even falsify charges to meet quotas if there happens to not be allot of crime. If they really did not want to make arrests, why would they do these things?
    Nope, you can't just lie and call it a fact.

    Pot laws very by STATE. In some states, pot is the same as a speeding ticket (or legal), rendering it under a class C misdemeanor. In some states, having a small about of pot is a class B or even A MD that HAS to result in arrest. However, is the officer allowed to look the other way? We don't know, there isn't a clear law about that regarding pot. Some cops don't give a crap if someone has pot, I never cared (lived in a state with lax pot laws).

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Nope, you can't just lie and call it a fact.

    Pot laws very by STATE. In some states, pot is the same as a speeding ticket (or legal), rendering it under a class C misdemeanor. In some states, having a small about of pot is a class B or even A MD that HAS to result in arrest. However, is the officer allowed to look the other way? We don't know, there isn't a clear law about that regarding pot. Some cops don't give a crap if someone has pot, I never cared (lived in a state with lax pot laws).
    I'm not lying. Arrests for drugs are discretionary, regardless of the class. The only things that are not considered discretionary are immediate threats and in some states domestic disputes.

    Your still ignoring illegal arrests, and falsification of evidence, which is a epidemic in Americas police culture.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    I'm not lying. Arrests for drugs are discretionary, regardless of the class. The only things that are not considered discretionary are immediate threats and in some states domestic disputes.

    Your still ignoring illegal arrests, and falsification of evidence, which is a epidemic in Americas police culture.
    I don't know where you got your law degree from, but I'm sure that place has since closed down...

    What falsification of evidence? How is that an epidemic? Provide us with proof of this "epidemic" of falsifying arrest records. There were 12 million arrests last year. How many of them have falsified evidence according to your factual evidence?

    .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I don't know where you got your law degree from, but I'm sure that place has since closed down...

    What falsification of evidence? How is that an epidemic? Provide us with proof of this "epidemic" of falsifying arrest records. There were 12 million arrests last year. How many of them have falsified evidence according to your factual evidence?

    .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?
    Probably a good portions of the narco ones, especially narco ones that start with a traffic stop. Sadly we will probably never know. I would guess at least 25%

    They falsify the probable cause to pull you over. I know at least ten or twenty people this has happened to. They lie and say you ran a stop sign or whatever just so they can search your car because your the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood. That can go both ways.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Actually the forensic evidence can go either way on that. He could have been putting his hands up close to the window after Wilson grabbed him, and gotten his finger blown off at point blank that way.

    Forensic evidence cannot be examined in a vacuum. You must examine it along with witness testimony. To do otherwise is wrought with fallacy.

    Really? Many witnesses are discredited? The only one I know of being fully discredited is the one that supported Wilson (witness 40) which other ones where proven to have given false testimony?
    Like I said this is all old by now. The professionals testified that browns blood was found in the car, and that in conjunction with the powder residue it was clear his hands were indeed inside the vehicle. Why dont you know these basic facts? And there were other witnesses (besides browns fellow thug robber) were found to have been elsewhere during the incident, or who's testimony did not match the hard evidence. This isn't mob rule-a bunch of witnesses dont get to decide what the truth is (and then riot and murder)-but they have.

    There is a reason this didn't go to trial-its because there was no case, and like the zimmerman trial trying to make it into one because of public and political pressure just isn't good enough.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    "Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to". Cite me that lie you just posted. Each department has a leader that tells them if they need to enforce them to the bone, or to lax out the law. Some districts have zero tolerance laws so the officers HAVE to make those arrests, and some districts don't.

    Your bigoted assumptions are noted, and it's nice that this online community can see your blatant bigotry. Go enjoy your anti-law enforcement forums where you laugh about police getting shot.
    He wants reality to fit his preconceived notions of "justice", see my sig.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Like I said this is all old by now. The professionals testified that browns blood was found in the car, and that in conjunction with the powder residue it was clear his hands were indeed inside the vehicle. Why dont you know these basic facts? And there were other witnesses (besides browns fellow thug robber) were found to have been elsewhere during the incident, or who's testimony did not match the hard evidence. This isn't mob rule-a bunch of witnesses dont get to decide what the truth is (and then riot and murder)-but they have.

    There is a reason this didn't go to trial-its because there was no case, and like the zimmerman trial trying to make it into one because of public and political pressure just isn't good enough.
    It is not clear his hands where inside the vehicle. The blood could have gotten there through spatter, and the powder residue your talking about was found on him, which again could have happened both ways. Again you ignore what other forensic scientists have said about how one examines forensic evidence. You are doing so in a vacuum, and totally ignoring the eyewitness testimony.

    Furthermore those witness's never should have been on the stand at such a preceding. The prosecution should have made a brief case, recommended charges, and left it to the grand jury.

    Forensic evidence is to be studied in conjunction with eyewitness testimony. That's just a fact.

    What other witness (besides 40) was discredited?

    The Zimmerman case was a travesty of justice, and this even more obviously was. The prosecutor might get investigated for basically not doing his job, and his lengthy record of letting cops slide.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He wants reality to fit his preconceived notions of "justice", see my sig.
    Well that's just hilarious. Your sig is perfect for the right, the left not so much...

    Who was it that was saying the cop should be acquitted and it shouldn't even go to trial? Not the left...

    Talk about preconception...

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    It is not clear his hands where inside the vehicle. The blood could have gotten there through spatter, and the powder residue your talking about was found on him, which again could have happened both ways. Again you ignore what other forensic scientists have said about how one examines forensic evidence. You are doing so in a vacuum, and totally ignoring the eyewitness testimony.

    Furthermore those witness's never should have been on the stand at such a preceding. The prosecution should have made a brief case, recommended charges, and left it to the grand jury.

    Forensic evidence is to be studied in conjunction with eyewitness testimony. That's just a fact.

    What other witness (besides 40) was discredited?

    The Zimmerman case was a travesty of justice, and this even more obviously was. The prosecutor might get investigated for basically not doing his job, and his lengthy record of letting cops slide.
    You aren't a professional forensics examiner, and the ones that testified said they only way this blood from the dead thug got inside the police vehicle, as well as the only way powder residue got on his dominant arm was because he was in the vehicle. The rest of the shots took place at a much further range where powder residue would not be seen.

    The Zimmerman case was spot on, as was this-even if your preconceived notions dont fit-and the grand jury agreed.

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