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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    18 U.S. Code 2102 - Definitions...
    (b) As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

    So here's the thing.
    You're right that you can't always legally link speech alone to events and that the speech didn't do it the person did.
    In instances like this, for example, the people stirring the pot have the experience to know that too and they're careful not to cross that line (in a provable sense) but you know they depend on the pot to make the leap themselves.
    If you go down that road, sooner or later we'll all be linked to something we said. No, it's laziness and poor logic to try and blame those who try to throw light on a problem with mere words.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you go down that road, sooner or later we'll all be linked to something we said. No, it's laziness and poor logic to try and blame those who try to throw light on a problem with mere words.
    That would mean there'd be no effective difference between something you say on DP and something Sharpton says on camera before his crowd of amped up followers.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How are ILLEGAL immigrants going to gain skilled positions?
    Idk he was talking about all these jobs they where stealing from Americans... My point was they take jobs anybody with a ss number would not want...

    [/quote]Food used to cost next to nothing back in the day and there were little to no illegal immigrants picking the food. They were legal Latino immigrants or they were white farmers.[quote]

    That's true, but the population has grown drastically since then, and we have moved from a more productive organic system to a less producing commercial one. The commercial one takes more man power to operate, but produces less and less healthy food...

    A fun fact about that is during ww2 30 to 40% of food was grown by private citizens in "victory gardens"



    Maybe you should do something about solving the problems then... supporting law enforcement, reducing crime and gangs would be a GREAT first step.
    I will happily support law enforcement the day they stop harassing people, and breaking the law. Until then I certainly will not.

    You wanna lower the crime rate? End drug prohibition. It would lower the crime rate drastically not just for drugs, but across the board. Drug dealers for example would not shoot one another any more, or be drug dealers.

    Attacking cops, rioting and looting your own community? Idiotic.
    Ummm never said anything like that.and furthermore there was very little looting in comparison with the amount of peaceful protestors, and some of the protestors protected business from looters. When you have people in a poor economic situation, of course some are going to try to capitalize and loot in situations like this.

    The cops in the Garner case? Only that one should be behind bars. I agree with that for sure. The choke holder should be in prison.
    Certainly garner and brown. Not to mention a whole slew of other one. Like the three that shot two black men in a drug sting in Ferguson (I think, it was somewhere around stl) because they claimed the car moved forward. The other ten said it did not. The same prosecutor got them off.

    Or the ones in philly that savagely beat three zip tied murder suspects for 15 minutes, even though they where obviously already apprehended.

    The D.A. presented evidence to the Grand Jury. It was not enough. If you have evidence of criminal wrong doing by the D.A. then please present it.
    Its all over the web just Google Bob mccullah.

    For one he put a known liar that interjects herself into these types of cases in order to get attention. It is well documented she was not there, and she is the only witness that corroborated Wilson's story. (Witness 40)

    I can't detail it all right now, theirs just to much...



    Obviously that is what much of White America is hearing... maybe he should change his idiotic tune if he wants support instead of accusation? Only seems intelligent.
    Sharpton and the black community has every right to make accusations.

    What would he change is tune to? Support the police that have for decades killed and abused us? That would be idiotic.

    And the whole race baiting thing is a bs right wing accusation, just like saying he never speaks out about black on black violence.

    He is not race baiting, he is preaching to his community, and most of what he says is true.

    To say he is race baiting is actually a comically flawed statement. I mean, unless trying to influence a community to protest peacefully is race baiting, and if it is I am all for.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All he does is race bait. I don't care if he happens to get one right now and then because his only goal is to race bait, in the end. He is scum.

    The police getting off or not, not sure what case you are referring to, is about crime or the legal system failing.... not race.
    No police are scum.

    Ferguson, NYC, and many MANY other instances over the years. Some don't even leave the locality they happen in. There are websites dedicated to documenting it. Surprisingly Cato has one that William Packman started. I guess bipartisanship isn't totally dead....

    Again he is not race baiting, unless you count trying to get his insanely pissed off community to protest peacefully "race baiting."

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    That would mean there'd be no effective difference between something you say on DP and something Sharpton says on camera before his crowd of amped up followers.
    And there really isn't. We're responsible for our actions no matter what someone says. Your logic leads to no one being able to speak on anything. That's unacceptable and full of traps. You should let it go.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And there really isn't. We're responsible for our actions no matter what someone says. Your logic leads to no one being able to speak on anything. That's unacceptable and full of traps. You should let it go.

    Please Note: I said effective difference. Not legal difference.
    If you said the same things, if you think you would have the same influence as Sharpton on his cabal you're mistaken.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post

    Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?
    It was a combination of things that led to the officer's deaths.It was the media for painting it as racist cop kills innocent black person.It was the professional race antagonizers and politicians for stirring the pot.It was the media again for giving those degenerate race antagonizers and politicians a soap box to stand on.Most of the blame is on the guy who murdered the officers. If the media reported it as "unarmed suspect killed will resisting arrest" and "unarmed suspect killed while allegedly assaulting officer" and the media did not give a soap box to race antagonizers then most likely these officers would still be alive.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It was a combination of things that led to the officer's deaths.It was the media for painting it as racist cop kills innocent black person.It was the professional race antagonizers and politicians for stirring the pot.It was the media again for giving those degenerate race antagonizers and politicians a soap box to stand on.Most of the blame is on the guy who murdered the officers. If the media reported it as "unarmed suspect killed will resisting arrest" and "unarmed suspect killed while allegedly assaulting officer" and the media did not give a soap box to race antagonizers then most likely these officers would still be alive.
    No it most certainly was not.

    This guy was very unstable, had a lengthy rap sheet, had mental issues, and just went nuts. He would have likely done this with or without the media. Maybe he would have done it in Baltimore if he never heard of garner, but cops still would have died.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    TP is a talking point. It's used by whatever it is your reading to put out a message.
    Yes I know what a talking point is.... Just not the abbreviation tp... To me tp is mountain money...


    It's clear you're very comfortable with what you have been taught. It's also very clear that effort has successfully achieved it's goal. One of the great complaints about education today is this agenda driven agenda that can best be described as propaganda.
    Haha I'm mostly self educated...

    If anything education is conservative propaganda. It teaches you the great things about America, and glosses over or skips the terrible ones.

    By the way, did you know in many state, California for example, illegal aliens are treated as residents when it comes to taxpayer supported colleges and universities, and as a result of recent legislation, can receive financial assistance. So to answer the "getting degrees" question, the answer is yes.
    Good. America should have free education and no private school. Private school is a huge drain on the economy and academic wealth fare of the poor and middle class...

    But that still begs the question of how are they going to get jobs with those degrees?

    And California also deports people illegally. I have a friend that was deported, even though he was brought here when he was two, technically making it illegal to deport him.

    You're grossly uninformed, and I think it's a good thing for people to read posts from people like you so the complaints about education and the like can be illustrated and proven true.
    Hilarious... I'm not the one arguing illegal aliens are draining the economy and getting jobs they cant possibly get without a social security number...

    Again go educate yourself on both sides of the topic...
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's silliness. Defend your position or concede.
    He won't.

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