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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Keep dreaming Hat. I know it's important to hold to your meme no matter what.
    Says the guy who tried to prove me wrong by posting a link that did the opposite of what he was trying to do. Remember when I stated they were a hashtag and a movement, then you posted saying I was a pretender by posting a link to a page where the website's creators established that the page was representative of a movement and not an organization? Then you pretended that webmasters could be sued for what people in the 50 states could do? Good grief, you failed on your first post. Walk away with some dignity and save yourself the process of avoiding my questions. It would have made you look worse than your first post did.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What are you even talking about? She claimed Black Lives Matter was a group and that it was going to be sued. I've already demonstrated that it can't be because it doesn't exist on paper. The fact that in this same page she admitted that it was some organizers that were going to be sued, after trying to argue endlessly that it was "Black Lives Matter" that was going to be sued is pretty indicative that she was in fact: wrong.
    I hope you are being satirical.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you seriously this ignorant? Here are the two rallies in question:



    Again, two different rallies, Sharpton was at the one in DC. It was called the Justice for All Rally. The one in NYC was called Millions March NYC. Both were organized using the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. People have been trying to tell you since the start that these are two different events. People have been trying to explain to you that these events were not coordinated by the same people. People have been trying to tell you that Black Lives Matter can't be sued, because it's not an actual organization legally or otherwise.



    Do you know what irrelevance means? Yes, activists are printing similar posters for a common cause. So what? Connect the dots?



    Well, it's some progress. Now how do you sue Black Lives Matter which doesn't exist on paper and is not incorporated anywhere?



    It's like... 1 step forward... 3 steps back... with you. Do you understand that they won't actually sue Black Lives Matter because no such group exists legally or otherwise?
    Those operating under the banner Black Lives Matter have many names. They are all networking together. That is why no matter what protest is being organized, Urban League Inc. ( No Justice No Peace), or Fruit of Islam, or Hands up Don't Shoot Coalition know where to show up for the next big event. Many of these groups have chapters in large cities across the country such as the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC where evidence is mounting that they were the group responsible for chanting for dead cops.

    "Evidence from photos, videos, social-media posts and interviews suggest that a group—the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC—might have been involved. There is no definitive proof that TMOC led the call for dead cops, but there is a web of circumstantial ties with the group at its center."

    The Monsters Who Screamed for Dead Cops - The Daily Beast

    The are a number of instances where the media is referring to this network of activists organizers as Black Lives Matter because they use the title for their events.

    An Instagram can display a number of hashtags associated with different groups. i#turnuptheanger, is a hashtag associated with TMOC. (The first mention of #turnuptheanger on Twitter, for example, directs to a Facebook page hosted by the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee NYC.)

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    The answer to how Al Sharpton can be in Washington D.C. while also in New York is simple...Al Sharpton is a Magical Negro.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Those operating under the banner Black Lives Matter have many names. They are all networking together. That is why no matter what protest is being organized, Urban League Inc. ( No Justice No Peace), or Fruit of Islam, or Hands up Don't Shoot Coalition know where to show up for the next big event. Many of these groups have chapters in large cities across the country such as the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC where evidence is mounting that they were the group responsible for chanting for dead cops.
    Well, by gosh, you finally got it. Now that you've admitted that Black Lives Matter is simply a banner used by various community organizers, groups, individuals, etc. We can move on to the actual question I asked you: How do you sue Black Lives Matter? That's what you originally stated was happening. You stated Black Lives Matter was getting sued. Will they (MOA) sue the people who created the hashtag? Will they sue the website? There is no legal entity called "Black Lives Matter", so how do you sue a conglomerate that isn't incorporated and is unified by a hashtag and a common cause? You sue everyone you believe is a member in that conglomerate?
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Yes, many activists groups are taking up the hashtag of #Blacklivesmatter and one could say that "Black Lives Matter" could be the name of the movement.

    That doesn't mean that everyone making reference to or supporting said hashtag are the same group or are all directly working together on each and everything they do.

    Many activist groups took up the notion of the "Tea Party", giving rise to the "Tea Party" movement.

    Many of those various groups at times worked together, or people who belonged to one group may've showed up at a different groups rally if they were near by. However....an event hosted by FreedomWorks, which Tea Party Express had no hand in organizing/promoting/leading, could not rightfully and honestly be claimed to have been led by "The tea party express".

    Al Sharptons NAN making reference to, using the hashtag of, or supporting the movement "Black Lives Matter" does not mean Al Sharpton and NAN are involved in every single protest, part of every single group, and responsble for every single act of others who also reference/use/support the "Black Lives Matter" movement.

    For someone to push such a ridiculous and illogical argument would be to suggest that the leaders of the various Tea Party groups are responsible for calls to lynch President Obama because a protester at a tea party event at some time made such a call, and apparently any leader of any group that ever did anything related to the "tea party" is thereby "leading" or "responsible" or "supporting" that action.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, by gosh, you finally got it. Now that you've admitted that Black Lives Matter is simply a banner used by various community organizers, groups, individuals, etc. We can move on to the actual question I asked you: How do you sue Black Lives Matter? That's what you originally stated was happening. You stated Black Lives Matter was getting sued. Will they (MOA) sue the people who created the hashtag? Will they sue the website? There is no legal entity called "Black Lives Matter", so how do you sue a conglomerate that isn't incorporated and is unified by a hashtag and a common cause? You sue everyone you believe is a member in that conglomerate?
    I used BLack Lives Matter in the same way CBS did, and many other local news agencies covering these protests occurring in their cities across the nation because that is how they promote them.
    Whoever the organizers were for the protest that happened at MOA, the owners of the mall know who they are because they personally informed them not to do their protest inside the mall. They informed them personally it would be illegal to do so on private property where it is not wanted. They did not listen. These individual activist groups who organized the protest will be sued. We don't know their names yet, but I'm sure they will be forthcoming.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I used BLack Lives Matter in the same way CBS did, and many other local news agencies covering these protests occurring in their cities across the nation because that is how they promote them.
    Yes and both you and CBS are wrong. The fact that you used it wrongly like CBS did does not make you right. All it shows is that there are a lot of people who don't have a clue regarding just what these protests are about or how they come about or how they're organized. For pete's sake, you spent 2-3 posts arguing that the NYC/DC protests had been organized by the same people. That was easily disproven with a simple search on google and who organized the protests. The reason you argued this was because you actually believed that #blacklivesmatter was some sort of organization when it really is just a bunch of people using a label to define where they stand on an issue.

    Whoever the organizers were for the protest that happened at MOA, the owners of the mall know who they are because they personally informed them not to do their protest inside the mall. They informed them personally it would be illegal to do so in private property where it is not wanted. They did not listen. These individual activist groups who organized the protest will be sued. We don't know their names yet, but I'm sure they will be forthcoming.
    So you can't tell us how #blacklivesmatter or the movement will be sued? Good. If all you have is that some people may be sued personally, that's great. However, it won't mean much. Next week, a new protest will rise and then another, and then another, and then another. It's how political movements work. It happened during the OWS, it happened during the Tea Party campaigns of 2008. The political movements themselves will not be sued. That's just nonsensical and downright impossible.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Says the guy who tried to prove me wrong by posting a link that did the opposite of what he was trying to do. Remember when I stated they were a hashtag and a movement, then you posted saying I was a pretender by posting a link to a page where the website's creators established that the page was representative of a movement and not an organization? Then you pretended that webmasters could be sued for what people in the 50 states could do? Good grief, you failed on your first post. Walk away with some dignity and save yourself the process of avoiding my questions. It would have made you look worse than your first post did.
    Yes I remember all that. I remember how you failed miserably to avoid the obvious. Perhaps you could buy a clue and get further down the road. Clearly you've been owned on this, as it's quite obvious there is some form of organization behind the website and the people coordinating it's activities. I guess there are some who think such things just magically appear out of the vapors of space and materialize out of thin air.

    You have much to learn.

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