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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Agist? I haven't treated her any different than I treat you when it's clear you have no clue what you're discussing. Now move along, before I decide to destroy any of your ridiculous arguments in this thread.
    Good place to start:

    About Us | Black Lives Matter

    Interesting how you think you know more than the MOA management. The internet certainly allows pretenders to sound important and informed. You and others are perfect examples of this part of the entertainment it provides.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What part don't you get? It doesn't matter what name you want to associate with the NYC march/rally, the protestors were made up of some of the same activist groups as the one in DC.
    Lmao, omfg. The rallies took place one the same day. So no, the rallies couldn't have been made up of the same protestors. The fact that the activists groups who organized them are entirely different people debunks you claim even further. I really wish you'd have a clue what it is you're discussing.

    They carried the same damn "professional" signs hot off the printing press.
    Lmao, what does that have to do with anything? Yes, this is the 21st century, people protesting the same cause can print similar signs. That doesn't make them part of the same organization or part of the same groups. Your arguments are really getting bizarre.

    What part don't you understand that there are so many names of activist groups all with their own personal agenda that now they are being defined in the media as "Black Lives Matter" because that is the name given to the events they organize.
    And still that is irrelevant to whether or not Black Lives Matter can be sued like you previously claimed they were going to be. As I've stated, Black Lives Matter is not going to get sued. Why? Because they're not a legal entity of any sort. This really is a pretty simple point.

    Watch the first 10 seconds of this video, is the interviewer wrong just like CBS?
    The fact that you're hiding behind MRC just shows how little interest you have in informing yourself. However, even by using their link you still don't understand just what black lives matter is. He said it was the blacklivesmatter rally promoted by his National Action Network. In simpler words, it's an event organized under the movement of #blacklivesmatter. Now, as per the name of the actual rally:

    From the makers of your videos:

    After publishing its original story by Jennifer Steinhauer and Elena Schneider on this Saturday's so-called "Justice For All" March in Washington, which also included coverage of New York's related event, the Times issued a correction which has to be seen to be believed (HT Twitchy): -

    See more at: NYT Corrects Saturday 'Justice For All' Marches Coverage Twice, Ignores NYC 'We Want Dead Cops' Chants
    'Justice For All,' 'Millions March' draw tens of thousands of protesters

    Saturday's "Justice for All" march in downtown D.C., organized by civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton, brought together supporters of two black men: Eric Garner, who died as police in Staten Island, N.Y., tried to arrest him for selling loose cigarettes; and Michael Brown, who was shot and killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Mo. Grand juries in both cases declined to indict the white officers on the scene.
    Thousands join Al Sharpton in

    Thousands join Al Sharpton in ‘Justice for All’ march in D.C.

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    The peaceful civil rights march led by families of the slain and organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network drew a wide range of Americans — black, white, Latino, Asian, young and elderly. They walked east toward the U.S. Capitol in a stream of colorful T-shirts, banners and signs.
    Why would Sharpton give the name of another organization to his organization's rally? Again, you just proved how little information you actually have on what Black Lives Matter is. Not only do you not understand it, you really don't know who is leading these protests, how they are connected or for that matter just how they're coming about. Again, the makes of your video acknowledge that it's called the Justice for All protest. Furthermore, your video establishes that it is a #blacklivesmatter protest, and that it is organized by ... wait... National Action Network? Why the hell would Sharpton organize an event for something other than his organization? Wait... I know:

    Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Black Lives Matter is a primarily American movement and hashtag
    Bingo! Because Black Lives Matter is not an organization. It is actually a movement and a hashtag. A movement representing a common cause by multiple unaffiliated rally organizers, activists, etc. A movement which, I'll remind you for the last time: Can't be sued.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lots of words to tell Vesper she's right, and no she's no red herring-but even if she was she'd beat you.
    What are you even talking about? She claimed Black Lives Matter was a group and that it was going to be sued. I've already demonstrated that it can't be because it doesn't exist on paper. The fact that in this same page she admitted that it was some organizers that were going to be sued, after trying to argue endlessly that it was "Black Lives Matter" that was going to be sued is pretty indicative that she was in fact: wrong.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Good place to start:

    About Us | Black Lives Matter

    Interesting how you think you know more than the MOA management. The internet certainly allows pretenders to sound important and informed. You and others are perfect examples of this part of the entertainment it provides.
    First line:

    All #BlackLivesMatter. This is Not a Moment, but a Movement
    First Paragraph:

    #BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes.
    Hey and here I am:

    Oh! Wait! They're a movement and a hashtag! So essentially trying to sue them is like saying you're going to sue Flower Power. Do you realize just how ridiculous you sound when you don't know the first thing about the "organization" that you believe can be sued?
    It's fun to make people look really silly. Again, trying to sue Black Lives Matter is literally like trying to sue Flower Power. Not only is it completely laughable as there is no organization called Black Lives Matter, it would be like trying to sue The Beatnicks or Beatlemania. How do you bring a lawsuit against something which doesn't exist on paper? Can you sue Pro-Life? What about... can you sue... Pro-Gay-Marriage? How do you bring a lawsuit against these things? Wait! You can't!
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    First line:



    First Paragraph:



    Hey and here I am:



    It's fun to make people look really silly. Again, trying to sue Black Lives Matter is literally like trying to sue Flower Power. Not only is it completely laughable as there is no organization called Black Lives Matter, it would be like trying to sue The Beatnicks or Beatlemania. How do you bring a lawsuit against something which doesn't exist on paper? Can you sue Pro-Life? What about... can you sue... Pro-Gay-Marriage? How do you bring a lawsuit against these things? Wait! You can't!
    Truly, this must be your first day on earth.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    First line:





    Hey and here I am:



    It's fun to make people look really silly. Again, trying to sue Black Lives Matter is literally like trying to sue Flower Power. Not only is it completely laughable as there is no organization called Black Lives Matter, it would be like trying to sue The Beatnicks or Beatlemania.
    Well, with a website and names, clearly you are wrong. The organization responsible for the website didn't click it's Ruby Red slippers and cause it to appear out of thin air from the grand vapors of the internet. MOA simply identifies the individuals behind the group and buries them with multi-million dollar lawsuits. Doesn't matter if they are responsible or not.

    Suit after suit. After all, millions of dollars in damages were suffered from small business owners just trying to keep their children fed. So they start with Janisha R. Gabriel, and Tanya Lucia Bernard. They will cave under the onslaught after having to lawyer up, and the rest of the group will be hit with the same effort. Of course, it might be that they get some sympathetic attorneys to step in to help them. But it will get complicated and costly. Pretty easy to do with a platoon of lawyers a business like MOA has available to them.

    You're crushed here Hat. Reality, as predicted, has steam rolled your argument into the pavement.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, omfg. The rallies took place one the same day. So no, the rallies couldn't have been made up of the same protestors. The fact that the activists groups who organized them are entirely different people debunks you claim even further. I really wish you'd have a clue what it is you're discussing.
    False. The activist organizations were already actively organizing protests in NYC prior to the announcement of the Grand Jury verdict on the Garner case. We know from the police that the cop killer had videotaped a protest rally on Dec 1 in NYC. The Grand Jury decision was issued on Dec. 3. These activist groups work as a network and were organizing protests across the country.


    Lmao, what does that have to do with anything? Yes, this is the 21st century, people protesting the same cause can print similar signs. That doesn't make them part of the same organization or part of the same groups. Your arguments are really getting bizarre.
    Ignorance is not bliss. Activist organizations print up posters then disperse them. When you find the same professional signs showing up in rallies all over the place, it's obvious that the same organization is responsible for them.


    And still that is irrelevant to whether or not Black Lives Matter can be sued like you previously claimed they were going to be. As I've stated, Black Lives Matter is not going to get sued. Why? Because they're not a legal entity of any sort. This really is a pretty simple point.



    The fact that you're hiding behind MRC just shows how little interest you have in informing yourself. However, even by using their link you still don't understand just what black lives matter is. He said it was the blacklivesmatter rally promoted by his National Action Network. In simpler words, it's an event organized under the movement of #blacklivesmatter. Now, as per the name of the actual rally:

    From the makers of your videos:



    'Justice For All,' 'Millions March' draw tens of thousands of protesters



    Thousands join Al Sharpton in



    Why would Sharpton give the name of another organization to his organization's rally? Again, you just proved how little information you actually have on what Black Lives Matter is. Not only do you not understand it, you really don't know who is leading these protests, how they are connected or for that matter just how they're coming about. Again, the makes of your video acknowledge that it's called the Justice for All protest. Furthermore, your video establishes that it is a #blacklivesmatter protest, and that it is organized by ... wait... National Action Network? Why the hell would Sharpton organize an event for something other than his organization? Wait... I know:

    Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Bingo! Because Black Lives Matter is not an organization. It is actually a movement and a hashtag. A movement representing a common cause by multiple unaffiliated rally organizers, activists, etc. A movement which, I'll remind you for the last time: Can't be sued.
    Black Lives Matters is a movement involving protests/rallies/marches organized by several different activist groups networking together. There is also a group going by "Black Lives Matters".

    Whoever the organizers of the protest at Mall of America under a Black Lives Matter event will be the ones that will be sued.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, with a website and names, clearly you are wrong.
    A website and names is all it takes to be an organization? Lmao. elvis.com is a website with names. Does that make it an organization? No. Get serious. Your arguments really are getting desperate.

    The organization responsible for the website didn't click it's Ruby Red slippers and cause it to appear out of thin air from the grand vapors of the internet.
    What organization? I've already asked all those who keep claiming it is one to find a single legal entity registered under such a name. Hell, I even did the legwork for you guys and you still can't admit that there is no such thing as the Black Lives Matter organization.

    MOA simply identifies the individuals behind the group and buries them with multi-million dollar lawsuits. Doesn't matter if they are responsible or not.
    Try making some sense.

    Suit after suit. After all, millions of dollars in damages were suffered from small business owners just trying to keep their children fed. So they start with Janisha R. Gabriel, and Tanya Lucia Bernard.
    Oh good grief, those are the names you were discussing? These ones?

    Graphics and Webdesign by Janisha R. Gabriel of Haki Creative with Contributions from Tanya Lucia Bernard
    Lmao. Are you seriously trying to argue that people who created a website where they purposely stated they were a movement/hashtag and made no mention of being an organization is going to be held responsible for the actions of people in all 50 states? You're new at this, aren't you?

    They will cave under the onslaught after having to lawyer up, and the rest of the group will be hit with the same effort. Of course, it might be that they get some sympathetic attorneys to step in to help them. But it will get complicated and costly. Pretty easy to do with a platoon of lawyers a business like MOA has available to them.

    You're crushed here Hat. Reality, as predicted, has steam rolled your argument into the pavement.
    Lmao, they're going to have to lawyer up for running a website then what? Are the thousands of people running twitter accounts and using the hashtag going to have to lawyer up too? Who had to lawyer up in the 60s for being a member of the counterculture movement? Lmao. You're seriously out of your league here ocean. When your first attempt didn't fly, you went into a long diatribe about what will happen in this magical future where political movements are sued out of existence.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A website and names is all it takes to be an organization? Lmao. elvis.com is a website with names. Does that make it an organization? No. Get serious. Your arguments really are getting desperate.



    What organization? I've already asked all those who keep claiming it is one to find a single legal entity registered under such a name. Hell, I even did the legwork for you guys and you still can't admit that there is no such thing as the Black Lives Matter organization.



    Try making some sense.



    Oh good grief, those are the names you were discussing? These ones?



    Lmao. Are you seriously trying to argue that people who created a website where they purposely stated they were a movement/hashtag and made no mention of being an organization is going to be held responsible for the actions of people in all 50 states? You're new at this, aren't you?



    Lmao, they're going to have to lawyer up for running a website then what? Are the thousands of people running twitter accounts and using the hashtag going to have to lawyer up too? Who had to lawyer up in the 60s for being a member of the counterculture movement? Lmao. You're seriously out of your league here ocean. When your first attempt didn't fly, you went into a long diatribe about what will happen in this magical future where political movements are sued out of existence.
    Keep dreaming Hat. I know it's important to hold to your meme no matter what. The issue will always be, follow the money. Easy to do when a group has a website and ongoing content.

    Keep dreaming and posting what appears in your mind. Reality on the other hand, will always trump that approach.

    Think about it for a moment if you can wake up long enough. Do you think a multibillion dollar operation like MOA isn't prepared to take all necessary action? They warned the group to stay outside. The group didn't follow this advice. Do you honestly think the MOA is going to allow other groups to take similar damaging action without inflicting a world of legal hurt on those who decide to do so?

    Knock, knock, reality is at the door Hat. You might want to let it in every once in awhile. Does wonders for credibility.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    False. The activist organizations were already actively organizing protests in NYC prior to the announcement of the Grand Jury verdict on the Garner case. We know from the police that the cop killer had videotaped a protest rally on Dec 1 in NYC. The Grand Jury decision was issued on Dec. 3. These activist groups work as a network and were organizing protests across the country.
    Are you seriously this ignorant of the facts? Here are the two rallies in question:

    From coast to coast, tens of thousands of people marched – and were still marching, as night came on - in solidarity with the families of those killed by law enforcement officers. The protesters, who were black, white, Latino, Asian, young and elderly, streamed through the city streets in Washington, New York, Boston, Chicago and Oakland. They carried protest signs that read “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” and banners that read “Black Lives Matter”.

    Here’s a look back at the day’s key events:

    Reverend Al Sharpton was joined at the march in Washington by the relatives of men killed by police officers
    Gwen Carr, the mother of Eric Garner, called the DC protests “a history making moment”
    In Boston, Massachusetts State Police arrested 23 protesters, mostly for disorderly conduct
    As day turned to night, New York protesters halted traffic on Brooklyn Bridge
    In Oakland, the mother of Oscar Grant told protesters: “We want officers to be held accountable for their actions… [to] feel that pain just as we have to feel it.”
    Estimates of the size of the New York crowd varied widely, between 10,000 and 50,000
    Before evening, there were no arrests reported in New York and Washington
    Protests are still ongoing
    Again, two different rallies, Sharpton was at the one in DC. It was called the Justice for All Rally. The one in NYC was called Millions March NYC. Both were organized using the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. People have been trying to tell you since the start that these are two different events. People have been trying to explain to you that these events were not coordinated by the same people. People have been trying to tell you that Black Lives Matter can't be sued, because it's not an actual organization legally or otherwise.

    Ignorance is not bliss. Activist organizations print up posters then disperse them. When you find the same professional signs showing up in rallies all over the place, it's obvious that the same organization is responsible for them.
    Do you know what irrelevance means? Yes, activists are printing similar posters for a common cause. So what? Connect the dots?

    Black Lives Matters is a movement involving protests/rallies/marches organized by several different activist groups networking together.
    Well, it's some progress. Now how do you sue Black Lives Matter which doesn't exist on paper and is not incorporated anywhere?

    There is also a group going by "Black Lives Matters". Whoever the organizers of the protest at Mall of America under a Black Lives Matter event will be the ones that will be sued.
    It's like... 1 step forward... 3 steps back... with you. Do you understand that they won't actually sue Black Lives Matter because no such group exists legally or otherwise?
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-24-14 at 09:01 AM.
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