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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    US Conservative is about to show us just how little he actually knows on this subject. Get ready for the pwn4g3 I'm about to lay down.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Seeing the light"= allowing you to spread lies unchallenged?
    Kobie, these are middle aged folks believing that a hashtag is a political organization with many chapters in different cities. If that doesn't sound off any alarms as to how little these people know about what is going on, nothing should. I literally just explained to vesper what #blacklivesmatter was and she just went on to say that it was going to be sued. Lmao, how the hell do you bring a lawsuit against a hashtag? How do you sue a group of people who organize under a hashtag without incorporating? It's absolutely astounding the kind of **** that is flying around right now.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You do realize that Black Lives Matter organized both marches don't you? And Al Sharpton' group promoted them. You do realize the difference between organizing and promoting right?

    Not a single shred of evidence. Not a flair, no a website, not a tweet, has been provided showing Al Sharpton or the NAN promoting, let alone "leading" or "organizing" Millions March NYC. If you can provide something then link it.

    The fact a separate group of which Al Shaprton does not lead, did not found, and does not run happened to attend or promote both is not some evidence that Shaprton organized, led, or hosted the nyc protest.

    If Sarah Palin has a to rally in DC that the tea party patriots help organize, and then the tea party express throws a rally in another city that is supported in part by the tea party patriots, that does not mean it would be accurate to say Sarah Palin hosted or organized the second event in a city she wasn't in and an event in which she had no hand in nor officially endorsed. This isn't some kind of strange transitive property where person x has had specific dealings with organization y and organization y is doing event z, therefor person x is doing event z

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not a single shred of evidence. Not a flair, no a website, not a tweet, has been provided showing Al Sharpton or the NAN promoting, let alone "leading" or "organizing" Millions March NYC. If you can provide something then link it.

    The fact a separate group of which Al Shaprton does not lead, did not found, and does not run happened to attend or promote both is not some evidence that Shaprton organized, led, or hosted the nyc protest.

    If Sarah Palin has a to rally in DC that the tea party patriots help organize, and then the tea party express throws a rally in another city that is supported in part by the tea party patriots, that does not mean it would be accurate to say Sarah Palin hosted or organized the second event in a city she wasn't in and an event in which she had no hand in nor officially endorsed. This isn't some kind of strange transitive property where person x has had specific dealings with organization y and organization y is doing event z, therefor person x is doing event z
    The evidence is there...... maaaaaaaan. You just need to connect it all. Like so:

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I posted from the facebook page of the organizers of the NYC Millions March by the NYC branch of Black Lives Matter. The video I posted above accurately states by the interviewer that he is at the Blacks Lives Matter Rally sponsored by Al Sharpton's National Action Network with their banner first in line to march. To organize a rally/march is one thing. To promote it is another. Now this wouldn't be a problem for you if the group from Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee hadn't been pegged as the assholes that chanted dead cop rhetoric and being part of the organized march by Black Lives Matter in NYC.
    But Socialist/Communist groups are loving it! You should read the right up at the Workers World!

    Mass marches affirm that
    Look at your own link. It counters what you claim, as it even notes that the march in DC was hosted by the National Action Network.

    Furthermore, you link provides no proof that "Blacklivesmatter" as an organization was part of the organizing effort for the March for Justice in DC.

    And even beyond that, even if they were...Al Sharpton does not run, did not found, nor is he part of Black Lives Matter nor Black Life Matters.

    You realize there is a difference between the actual organization going by that name, and the generalized "movement" and/or the use of a twitter hashtag, yes?

    Much the same as groups such as FreedomWorks or Americans for Prosperity may use "tea party" in their organizing rhetoric, so too do many civil right groups right now use the notion of "black lives matter". That no more means that every single group that ever uses that phrasing is responsible for, and directly associated with, every other group that uses it...than it means that every single solitary tea party group, large or small, that say "tea party" in some fashion are responsible for, and directly associated with, every other group that also says "tea party" in some fashion.

    The lead organizers for the NYC and the DC protests were not the same organization, and Al Sharpton's National Action Network was not a group organizing the Millions March protest in NYC.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Watching middle aged people think that a hashtag is a political group is pretty funny.
    Well, to be fair...there is an actual activist group out there that has grabbed the "black lives matter" name and have been using it as their organizations name.

    But that's kind of like the "Tea Party Patriots" grabbing ahold of Tea Party and placing it in their name. That doesn't somehow give them utter dominion over the use, nor does it mean that every single solitary group that utters the word "tea party" must clearly be associated with, beholden to, and working in tandem with the tea party patriots.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Look at your own link. It counters what you claim, as it even notes that the march in DC was hosted by the National Action Network.

    Furthermore, you link provides no proof that "Blacklivesmatter" as an organization was part of the organizing effort for the March for Justice in DC.

    And even beyond that, even if they were...Al Sharpton does not run, did not found, nor is he part of Black Lives Matter nor Black Life Matters.

    You realize there is a difference between the actual organization going by that name, and the generalized "movement" and/or the use of a twitter hashtag, yes?
    Just looked up "Black Life Matters.org" It doesn't seem to be incorporated either. Then again you don't need to be in order to get a .org domain. I wish whomever tries to sue those groups the best of f'n luck even finding the people behind these websites/accounts.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, to be fair...there is an actual activist group out there that has grabbed the "black lives matter" name and have been using it as their organizations name.

    But that's kind of like the "Tea Party Patriots" grabbing ahold of Tea Party and placing it in their name. That doesn't somehow give them utter dominion over the use, nor does it mean that every single solitary group that utters the word "tea party" must clearly be associated with, beholden to, and working in tandem with the tea party patriots.
    I just answered this. There is literally no organization incorporated in the entire US with such a name. You don't need be incorporated to get a .org domain name. As I said, it's fun to watch people argue against modern social networking and completely miss what these groups actually are.

    http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/
    http://www.guidestar.org/
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those incidents were over 40 years ago. Meanwhile...

    "...since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).
    "Since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies...have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology."

    By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

    (Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation..."
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinio...nsas-shooting/

    "Below is a list of some of the right-wing extremist terror plots and violence from recent years.

    July 27, 2008

    Unemployed truck driver Jim David Adkisson opens fire on the congregation of a Unitarian Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing two people and seriously wounding six. Adkisson tells police he targeted the congregation because its members included gay men and mixed-race couples. ...

    March 9, 2011

    Kevin William Harpham is charged with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and receiving and possessing an improvised explosive device in relation to the attempted bombing of an Martin Luther King Day parade. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Harpham was previously a member of the National Alliance, an infamous neo-Nazi organization although it's unclear whether he's still a card-carrying member.

    An individual identifying himself Kevin Harpham made several posting on the anti-Semitic website Vanguard News Network, including a March 2008 post to a VNN discussion titled, "Violent Revolution Against ZOG." [ZOG stands for "Zionist Occupied Government.]

    (More here)
    Lone Wolves: A Recent History of Violent Right-Wing Extremism | Blog | Media Matters for America
    In spite of how MediaMatters paints it as right-wing only violent extremism, I think it fair to say that there's violent extremism on both sides of the political coin, and I don't really think that the mentally unstable can really be cast into either right or left, kinda are in a group all their own. I think this is really closer to the 'Hard Truth'.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    They are associated with the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee which has groups set up all over the country. Maybe a city near you.
    Check out their Facebook page.
    Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee | Justice for Trayvon Martin and all victims of white supremacy & capitalism

    Take a look at the banner straight on and note the rose and the red star and ask yourself what political ideology is associated with those two symbols.

    They're using red text. Which ideology uses red to show political leaning...

    Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]-final-electoral-map-2012-obama-romney-jpg
    Yep. The march calling for dead cops must have been led by conservatives.
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