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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What's saddest of all is that he uses the families of people like Garner to advance his own agenda (and collaterally, his image, his power, his agenda). Why they keep joining him is beyond me. He doesn't deserve a minute of serious attention and he deserves no respect. The man is a cancer in society. Eric Garner's wife seems so decent. She needs a better mouthpiece than him.
    As bad as the Garner death was I think the worse offense was the guy who got shot and killed for using a stairway. The NYC police officer had no business having his hand on the trigger. He fires his weapon accidentally and the bullet ricochets and hits him in the chest. Imagine walking down your apartment building and running into a cop who fires his weapon simply because you opened the door. I believe the family didn't want to have anything to do with Sharpton. That said he does draw attention to what is seen as a problem in the black community. You don't hear much about this other case which really was a complete police fiasco. I even discussed this with my friend on the local sheriffs office and he said the same thing. Then there was the 12 year old who was killed for running around with a pellet gun. I discussed this with my friend as well and he said they handled that situation rather poorly. I'm no fan of Sharpton but I can't really blame them for being angry.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Once again, Fox News and body cameras have nothing to do with these 2 policemen being executed.


    I get it. Nothing is relevant to this discussion other than your irrational fear of cops walking off the job in mass and your dislike of Al Sharpton. The tragedy of two cops being killed started and ended with Al Sharpton telling people to kill them.

    Can you do anything other than cherry pick?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You've got a set of brass balls on you to come into a thread about a murder and giving people **** for propagating and screaming false information when you were fraudulently attempting to push that Giffords was shot by a "right wing terrorist".

    People who enjoy using tragedies to push their political agendas typically don't care too much about facts or reality sadly.

    Wh-wh-what are you talking about?
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post


    I get it. Nothing is relevant to this discussion other than your irrational fear of cops walking off the job in mass and your dislike of Al Sharpton. The tragedy of two cops being killed started and ended with Al Sharpton telling people to kill them.

    Can you do anything other than cherry pick?
    Fox News - for the last time - has nothing to do with it.

    Sharpton works for MSNBC. His words are available on all networks and all over the internet. This poll isn't about Fox News. It's about Sharpton's words which sound the same on Fox as they do on CNN, Al Jazeera and the BBC.

    I don't have an "irrational fear of cops walking off the job in mass (sic)". I said I wish they would do it, but went on to say they won't do it. I don't like Sharpton. I also never said Sharpton told anyone to kill cops.

    If you want to post to me, be honest and don't lie. You just told quite a few whoppers in a single post. The only truthful thing you said was that I dislike Sharpton.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wh-wh-what are you talking about?
    I'm talking about you back in 2011 in a thread about Giffords being shot telling Navy Pride it was done by a "right wing terrorist".

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....when are you people ever going to learn. This was just FauxNews at it again with their propaganda machine. It never happened....so the entire premise of your poll is flawed.....oops. I guess when you rely on FauxNews for your news....that the kind of ignorance you get.
    Yeah those cops must be LOLing right now.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Keep dodging, lady. I was simply making a point that there is more productive conversation to be had about the issues surrounding the rally itself. Body cameras are relevant to that discussion, but I wasn't inviting you to debate body cams. It was a small side point I mentioned.

    Fox News is relevant to the thread, because Fox News clips were posted in the OP portraying Al Sharpton as appearing in front of crowd cheering for cops to be killed.

    I don't know what you believe is false or inaccurate about Fox's portrayal or how influenced you are by such coverage. However, media groups are powerful and should be criticized for misleading people with edited and spliced video. The OP was obviously influenced by the Fox report. My point was that Fox could be having a more productive conversation and use their power to improve the safety of our police officers and neighbors. It seems you want to dwell on the tragedy itself and let your fears run wild.





    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fox News - for the last time - has nothing to do with it.

    Sharpton works for MSNBC. His words are available on all networks and all over the internet. This poll isn't about Fox News. It's about Sharpton's words which sound the same on Fox as they do on CNN, Al Jazeera and the BBC.

    I don't have an "irrational fear of cops walking off the job in mass (sic)". I said I wish they would do it, but went on to say they won't do it. I don't like Sharpton. I also never said Sharpton told anyone to kill cops.

    If you want to post to me, be honest and don't lie. You just told quite a few whoppers in a single post. The only truthful thing you said was that I dislike Sharpton.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

    This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

    This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do......

    On 27 July 2008, lone wolf shooter Jim David Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and shot nine people, killing two and wounding seven. Adkisson said he was motivated by hatred of "Democrats, liberals, n-----s, and faggots." A police search of his home found books by Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly.

    On 4 February 2009, he accepted a plea bargain: guilty on two counts of murder, in exchange for a life sentence w/o possibility of parole (LWOP).

    On 4 April 2009, Richard Poplawski shot five Pittsburgh PA police officers, leaving three dead and two seriously wounded.

    According to people who knew him, he was a birther and white supremacist, was paranoid that Obama was going to take away his guns, and was consumed with anti-semitic conspiracy theories. A police search of his computer found links to various groups and to a YouTube video of Glenn Beck talking about FEMA concentration camps.......

    On 31 May 2009, anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder shot and killed gynecologist Dr. George Tiller while Tiller was attending church services. At first it appeared that he acted alone, but research by subject-matter experts uncovered evidence that he had at least one accomplice. That issue is presently being investigated by a federal grand jury.

    In the months leading up to the assassination, Bill O'Reilly had waged a "relentless campaign" against Tiller, a campaign of exactly the type that would be expected to stir up violence against the doctor. The details can be found here: O’Reilly’s campaign against murdered doctor - Salon.com

    In January 2010 Roeder was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life without parole. At present his accomplices and enablers have not yet been indicted and charged.

    On 18 July 2010, Byron Williams set out from his mother's home in Groveland CA, heading for San Francisco to shoot up the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, with the intention of "starting a revolution."

    Williams, a convicted felon (two bank robberies), was stopped by the CHP (California Highway Patrol) for weaving in and out of traffic at high speed. When stopped, he immediately opened fire on the CHP officers, wounding two. They returned fire, wounding him in the leg, and then took him into custody. At first they thought they were dealing with a garden-variety cop shooter. Then they found the notebook in his car, with the details of his plans.

    Quoting the Wikipedia article on Williams: 2010 Oakland freeway shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote: "Williams has identified Glenn Beck as his primary motivation for the shootings." According to Williams, Beck is "like a schoolteacher on TV... he's been breaking open some of the most hideous corruption." Continuing: "Beck would never say anything about a conspiracy, would never advocate violence. He'll never do anything ... of this nature. But he'll give you every ounce of evidence that you could possibly need." End quote.

    Prior to Williams' planned attack, Beck had mentioned the obscure Tides Foundation 29 times on his program. He had drawn numerous charts on his infamous blackboard, showing how Tides is the funding source behind much of the "liberal conspiracy." He had stoked and fueled, turned up the heat on the pot, and stirred it real good. He devoted two of his broadcasts to Tides in the very week preceding the shooting.

    Quoting the Washington Post article: Glenn Beck and the Oakland shooter

    Quote: Beck has at times spoken against violence, but he more often forecasts it, warning that "it is only a matter of time before an actual crazy person really does something stupid." Most every broadcast has some violent imagery: "The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch! . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible." Unquote.....
    Read more here: Stochastic Terrorism

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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    I think this nails it...

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I am taking a second to think. I'm taking a second to think about WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ASKED, not what you're moving the goal posts to now.

    You didn't ask "Why did he want to avenge Garner's death".

    Here, since you can't seem to remember what you yourself asked, let me refresh your memory



    See again...your question wasn't asking why he decided he wanted to kill cops. Rather, you SPECIFICALLY were asking why he chose to kill NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops.

    It's entirely plausible to suggest the reason he wanted to kill NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops was because NYC cops are who killed Garner.

    If you want to discuss the response to your question, as it relates to your question, I'll be happy to do that. AFTER you acknowledge my response to your question, if you then want to ask a NEW question, I'll be happy to respond to that. What I'm not going to do is sit quietly as you attempt to take a response I made to one question and act like it was a response to an entirely different question.
    Your distortion of my first question doesn't make my "second" question different from the first. And you didn't answer the question, you simply stated the fact we know - Garner was killed by cops in NYC. That doesn't tell us why this guy gained the impulse to drive to NYC to kill cops in retribution. Failing any personal connection between this man and Garner, the only possible reason is the notoriety of the anti-cop rhetoric surrounding the Garner GJ decision.
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