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Thread: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    When? Provide a quote of rhetoric from him that advocated for dead cops. What rhetoric promoted that. You keep claiming it and have produced ZERO EVIDENCE of such.

    Your own link has his rhetoric specifically saying he is not anti-cop, suggesting that most cops aren't bad, and suggesting they should stand against brutality (and it sure would seem that killing a cop is brutality). So please, what rhetoric are you speaking of, because it's not any rhetoric you've linked to thus far.
    You will never see that evidence, Zyphlin. They're not interested in anything that doesn't advance their agenda of demonization. They want Al Sharpton (and, you'll see, "the left" as a whole via guilt by association) to be responsible for those two officers' senseless murder, and they will say anything to further that.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If I remember correctly, Bill Ayres wife Bernardine Dohrn killed/murdered a cop. Must be a left wing thing to kill cops.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is very possible Sharpton and the protests are what tipped the scales for this man to kill the two policemen. He could have seen the march in NYC which was chanting, "What do you want, dead cops, when do we want it, we want it now."
    Which Sharpton had nothing to do with, so how would Sharpton to be responsible if he was motivated by people Sharpton had nothing to do with chanting support for a crime being performed.

    If you want to talk about whether or not those individuals in that particular crowd "contributed" to those deaths, that's at least a more reasonable argument, as you have a legitimate argument in terms of "inciting" the murder when you're talking about people actually directly advocating for the illegal activity in question.

    But that has nothing to do with Sharpton.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    I recall when President Clinton tried to link Timothy McVeigh and his bombing in Oklahoma to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. This kind of stuff is not new. In fact I still see arguments like that made today. I saw Rudy Juiliani trying to do the same thing Clinton did, but only aimed at the current occupant of the White House. I don't think any of this s**t is helping.
    It's not new, which is what is frustrating as hell about it.

    From McVeigh, to Loughner, to Andrew Stack, to Sparkman, to the Las Vegas Police... There's been so many times on this forum I've seen an incident happen and people IMMEDIATELY jumped on it as a chance to use the dead to push their political position and proclaim that some group or some politician was significantly responsible for the potentially criminal act that was committed based on nothing but an assumption that their "rhetoric" had "encouraged" the act. And each and every time I've argued vehemently against such an outrageous, dishonest, hackish stance...

    And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to simply sit back and allow such ridiculous and specious attempts to attack and blame someone other than the murderer, due to speech that was in no way encouraging or intended to cause a crime, simply because I'm a "conservative" and this time it's a liberal in the cross hair.

    It's beyond ridiculous and dishonest.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Wrong Weatherman, that's the guy who killed a cop on the east coast.

    Bernardine killed a cop in San Francisco.

    Back in the day, liberals, Marxist and socialist didn't call police officers cops but "pigs."

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Wrong Weatherman, that's the guy who killed a cop on the east coast.

    Bernardine killed a cop in San Francisco.

    Back in the day, liberals, Marxist and socialist didn't call police officers cops but "pigs."
    Eric Frein wasn't a Weatherman. He was a right-wing extremist that murdered one cop and tried to kill another earlier this year. You know, cop-killing, that "left-wing" pastime.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Firstly, Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a leftist with psych issues, secondly, what right wing rhetoric was calling for the deaths of congressional reps?
    Why do they only have mental illness when it suits your political motives?


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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's not new, which is what is frustrating as hell about it.

    From McVeigh, to Loughner, to Andrew Stack, to Sparkman, to the Las Vegas Police... There's been so many times on this forum I've seen an incident happen and people IMMEDIATELY jumped on it as a chance to use the dead to push their political position and proclaim that some group or some politician was significantly responsible for the potentially criminal act that was committed based on nothing but an assumption that their "rhetoric" had "encouraged" the act. And each and every time I've argued vehemently against such an outrageous, dishonest, hackish stance...

    And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to simply sit back and allow such ridiculous and specious attempts to attack and blame someone other than the murderer, due to speech that was in no way encouraging or intended to cause a crime, simply because I'm a "conservative" and this time it's a liberal in the cross hair.

    It's beyond ridiculous and dishonest.
    Of course you are. We're supposed to play our side and say "Go team" at every chance. That's why I love Al Sharpton and worship at the feet of Joe Biden, and am a card carrying member of Hamas (all of which I've been accused of, I might add).


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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And this is exactly why unchecked inflammatory rhetoric is so dangerous and people who trade in venomous speech should take responsibility for their part in this situation.

    To me, that's the entire relevance of this thread and the entire nature of my posts in it.
    There is inflammatory, unchecked rhetoric pouring out of talk radio on this issue combined with falsehoods courtesy of the Fox News clip posted in this thread. Bad information and inflammatory rhetoric occurs on both the left and right wing networks. It happens every single day in the US media, and it hasn't led to mass murders nor will it.

    You're statements are beyond hackery.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?



    I think most people would be happy if police served and protected the community, wore body cameras, and were better trained. The debate could even go into the area of the militarization of our police forces, and the government turning arrest and imprisionment into a for-profit industry, but in the Fox News clips posted in the OP, the discussion was instead focused on provoking racial division and fear.

    The story is going to go away in a few weeks, and all your fears of cops walking off their jobs will be gone too...


    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The police will have to capitulate eventually. Personally I'd like to see them all walk off the job in protest, but that won't happen. But it's what some people deserve. For every post I see saying something positive about cops, I see 10 saying ugly things about them. I'd like to see NYC survive for a day without the police, and then maybe people would not be so ugly.

    The attorney general has proven himself to be useless. He has done nothing to stop this either, or even lessen the impact of what happened, either in Ferguson or the Garner situation.

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