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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And this is exactly why unchecked inflammatory rhetoric is so dangerous and people who trade in venomous speech should take responsibility for their part in this situation.

    To me, that's the entire relevance of this thread and the entire nature of my posts in it.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Until you have conclusive evidence that the shooter was in fact influenced by any such rhetoric from Mr. Sharpton (who publicly condemned the shootings), this is an absurdity.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not ultimately possible.
    I agree that some people are loathe to be reasonable and responsible. That doesn't mean the rest of us should just schluff it off as free speech and throw up our hands and walk away. Moral authority is often far more effective than legal authority.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Well, something similar happened with school and theater shootings. Plenty of crazy people in American society who are able to tap into the darker impulses of our culture to acquire the moral certification to commit their crimes.

    I expect that sooner or later police will be forced to capitulate though. Their effective superior is the mayor, and while in the general the mayor of any given city prefers a functional working relationship with the police to hostility and aggression, that preference vanishes pretty rapidly with the polls.

    Same is true of attorney generals.
    The police will have to capitulate eventually. Personally I'd like to see them all walk off the job in protest, but that won't happen. But it's what some people deserve. For every post I see saying something positive about cops, I see 10 saying ugly things about them. I'd like to see NYC survive for a day without the police, and then maybe people would not be so ugly.

    The attorney general has proven himself to be useless. He has done nothing to stop this either, or even lessen the impact of what happened, either in Ferguson or the Garner situation.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Copycats you mean? Or people who are just looking to cause trouble and use any excuse to wreak havoc?
    Tone from the top. Human reason and instinct compute acceptable etiquette by observing the people around us in a cycle of progressive escalation. Once you see someone shoot up a school in the media, shooting up a school becomes a fixture of your reality; to a person whose inner darkest nature is always on the border of their consciousness, that's license to engage in the same behavior as a way of resolving their deepest frustrations and emotional conflicts.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Tone from the top. Human reason and instinct compute acceptable etiquette by observing the people around us in a cycle of progressive escalation. Once you see someone shoot up a school in the media, shooting up a school becomes a fixture of your reality; to a person whose inner darkest nature is always on the border of their consciousness, that's license to engage in the same behavior as a way of resolving their deepest frustrations and emotional conflicts.
    It doesn't take much to set off a firecracker. But school shootings by nutcases can't be stopped, unless the police know in advance about it.

    Comments like "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" can be and should be stopped at the time they happen. And immediately afterward, people who are in a position to establish calm, law and order need to come out and do it, or at least try to. Once the video clips of those people was made public, the ones who were telling people how they are being mistreated by the police and those using their microphones to tell their personal anecdotes about the racist treatment they have received or about having warn their bi-racial sons about being the targets of police needed to stop and realize this was getting terribly out of hand.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It doesn't take much to set off a firecracker. But school shootings by nutcases can't be stopped, unless the police know in advance about it.

    Comments like "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" can be and should be stopped at the time they happen. And immediately afterward, people who are in a position to establish calm, law and order need to come out and do it, or at least try to. Once the video clips of those people was made public, the ones who were telling people how they are being mistreated by the police and those using their microphones to tell their personal anecdotes about the racist treatment they have received or about having warn their bi-racial sons about being the targets of police needed to stop and realize this was getting terribly out of hand.

    Words do matter. Rhetoric matters. It's dangerous not to acknowledge that.
    Ideally, yes, but in a world where cops are tweeting about killing protesters in a manner that it visible to the entire public (and getting a slap on the wrist over it), the first response of protestors is going to be chanting about killing cops.

    When large numbers of angry people gather for a political cause pitted against another group of equally angry entrenched public servants, the odds of inappropriate comments or behavior rises arithmetically.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Ideally, yes, but in a world where cops are tweeting about killing protesters in a manner that it visible to the entire public (and getting a slap on the wrist over it), the first response of protestors is going to be chanting about killing cops.
    I know of one cop from California doing that earlier this month. Where else was it happening? And are you suggesting that the people in NY calling for the deaths of cops in a march were doing it because of him?

    But what does it have to do with nobody taking ownership of their words and trying to restore calm in a time of great chaos?
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Until you have conclusive evidence that the shooter was in fact influenced by any such rhetoric from Mr. Sharpton (who publicly condemned the shootings), this is an absurdity.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's what I'm doing right now. But you already made up your mind, so the facts don't make a difference.


    A little late for sharpton, I never considered whether or not you spoke out against it to be honest.

    I never thought you supported more dead cops, etc.
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