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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So looking at their flyer, website, and seemingly press release.

    Not a single mention of Sharpton that I've been able to find yet.

    Not a single mention of NAN I've been able to find yet.

    Claims that it was founded and organized by Synead Nichols and Umaara Iynaas, not Al Sharpton.

    Evidence that Sharpton was in DC, not in New York, on December 13th.

    The protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was in Washington DC, not in New York City

    The Protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was called "The Justice for All" March, not the "Millions March".

    (Source 1 for the last three statements)

    [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sharpton-to-lead-justice-for-all-march-in-dc/2014/12/13/36ce8a68-824f-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html[(Source 2 for the last three statements[/url]

    At the protest in DC on December 13th called the "Justice for All" march had Sharpton stating that they are not anti police.

    Yet people on this thread continue to declare that Sharpton led chants and calls for cops to lose their lives, that he organized the protests in new york, and that he contributed to the death of these two cops.

    And for some reason pointing out the reality and the absurdity of suggesting Sharpton is somehow culpable for the murders means you're a sharpton apologist to some posters

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    if you want to hide behind him actually calling for the deaths of cops-knock yourself out but that doesn't change what he's presided over.
    Yes, I want to "hide" behind actual facts and reality as opposed to the dishonest mirepresentations and outright falsehoods you and others have claimedm while dealing with the question you ask. How crazy of me.

    I'm sorry your asinine, dishonest, incorrect, ridiculous assertions were called out for the bull**** they are and now you're desperately trying to move the goal posts, but the reality is that what you initially were claiming was flat out wrong. It was either an outright lie or a horrible and ridiculous error on your part. The fact that you attack people for daring to point out your failure, and instead try to change the topic rather than admit your mistake, speaks volumes.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy....
    This is part of the false narrative that contributes to these racial tensions-and from none other then the reverend al.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    My understanding is that Sharpton was leading a march in Washington D.C. at the time the protesters in NYC were chanting about killing cops.

    I've heard nothing at all that indicated Sharpton supported the idea of killing cops, either tacitly or implicitly.

    It's also my understanding that both Sharpton and Gwen Carr (Eric Garner's mother) have condemned the police killings in NYC.

    I think Sharpton is a race hustling douchebag, but I don't see how he can be tied to the execution of police officers.

    I didn't vote in the poll because I don't really lean one way or the other in general (though I do lean given particular issues).
    As I understand it, he helped put on 3 protests that same day, I think in NYC, DC, and Kansas City. He already knew the violent tendencies of those "peaceful protestors" because they have been "peacefully protesting" by shooting cops, burning down local businesses, attacking cops, blocking traffic, etc. Its been building for months now.

    Did he pull the trigger? No. Did he contribute to the atmosphere that's caused this mess? Absolutely.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this is a famous left wing tactic (Salinsky used to advise college students to protest in favor of Republicans while publicly associating themselves with the KKK, and famously there was the call to infiltrate the Tea Party protests with racist signs), but not one that I've seen the right use much.
    That is true but things are changing and the right is spitting many of the lefts game right back at them.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So looking at their flyer, website, and seemingly press release.

    Not a single mention of Sharpton that I've been able to find yet.

    Not a single mention of NAN I've been able to find yet.

    Claims that it was founded and organized by Synead Nichols and Umaara Iynaas, not Al Sharpton.

    Evidence that Sharpton was in DC, not in New York, on December 13th.

    The protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was in Washington DC, not in New York City

    The Protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was called "The Justice for All" March, not the "Millions March".

    (Source 1 for the last three statements)

    [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sharpton-to-lead-justice-for-all-march-in-dc/2014/12/13/36ce8a68-824f-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html[(Source 2 for the last three statements[/url]

    At the protest in DC on December 13th called the "Justice for All" march had Sharpton stating that they are not anti police.

    Yet people on this thread continue to declare that Sharpton led chants and calls for cops to lose their lives, that he organized the protests in new york, and that he contributed to the death of these two cops.

    And for some reason pointing out the reality and the absurdity of suggesting Sharpton is somehow culpable for the murders means you're a sharpton apologist to some posters
    I didn't say the protest was organized by Sharpton.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say the protest was organized by Sharpton.
    I know. I quoted your post simply because it provided that flyer. Others were saying that the march was organized by Sharpton, so your post...specifically the link in it...helped show why those claims were problematic. That's why I thanked the post

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I believe that Sharpton has greatly exacerbated racial tension for his personal benefit and that contributed to the deaths of these two officers.
    I agree that Sharpton has feed the flames of racial tensions. He is a lightning rod. But If I read right the one who shot the police officers was an mental case. Although with mental cases Shapton could have been what tipped him to act. We will never know.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay.

    That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

    What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

    When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?
    Words do count towards actions, which is why people have to guard their words carefully, but also understand what the lasting impact of their words are.

    Sharpton didn't want innocent cops killed. He never called for killing cops. But to suggest that he hasn't fanned the flames is ridiculous. And the fact that everyone from MSNBC to the President of the United States give him a forum to fan the flames is even more ridiculous. Sorry, he does not deserve to just get to say "Oh well, lotta nuts out there, let's get back to saying black lives matter and the cops are killing black men" without learning a lesson isn't right to anyone in this country.

    I'm sorry, but without any apologies I will say Al Sharpton absolutely has some ownership of what happened in this situation. He does. So does de Blasio, so does Michael Brown's stepfather, so does the media, so does whoever was in charge of that protest where those people were chanting (I see the SEIU's name was on that flyer, among others), so do a lot of people. The only innocent ones here are the 2 dead men. I wish I saw as much sympathy for them as I do people rushing to relieve Al Sharpton of any responsibility whatsoever with the crap that's happened in this country in recent years.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are you really suggesting it's hard to suggest a potential reason why he would've shot a couple of cops in New York instead of in Baltimore OTHER than because of "anti-cop speech direct at NYC Police Officers"?

    Okay, I'll give it a try.

    A reason he may've decided to shoot NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops is because Garner was killed by NYC cops, and thus he may've wanted to kill people on the police for that killed garner.

    There, that wasn't very hard to come up with a reason that didn't have to do with "speech" at all, and said reason has just as much legitimacy (arguably more, based on him directly talking about garner being killed, not about protests about garner being killed) as what you're suggesting.
    Seriously? Nice try though.

    Had you heard about the Garner death prior to the Ferguson GJ decision and then the Garner GJ decision? I don't remember seeing any "breaking news" or other threads on the incident and I don't believe it was big news anywhere in the US except maybe locally in NYC. It became big news and widely reported in the context of Ferguson and the press following the reaction in the aftermath.

    I don't think for a minute that this guy would be avenging Garner's death if the race baiters and protest pimps weren't all over the news and media claiming the NYC cops were racist killers. That's your connection, period.
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