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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    Really?

    AL SHARPTON DIDN'T SHOW UP THERE! He was in DC

    But god forbid logic, facts, or common sense interfere with your desperate attempt to throw out ridiculous rhetorical questions
    What part don't you get, Sharpton was in NYC and holding rallies and press conferences. He had the crowd fired up. The day he announced the DC march he did so with Garner's widow, mother and children on the stage with him in NYC. His rhetoric was one that black people can't trust the police or grand juries.

    From REUTERS posted at Huffo Puffo

    "Rev. Al Sharpton (L), President of the National Action Network, Esaw Garner (R), widow of Eric Garner, and son Emory Garner (C) hold a press conference December 3, 2014 in New York, after a grand jury decided not to charge a white police officer in the choking death of Eric Garner, a black man, days after a similar decision sparked renewed unrest in Missouri."


    "NEW YORK, Dec 3 (Reuters) - Civil rights activist Al Sharpton on Wednesday called for a protest march in Washington following a New York grand jury decision not to indict a white policeman in the chokehold death of an unarmed black man.

    "We have no confidence in local state prosecutions because state prosecutors work hand in hand with the local police," the veteran civil rights activist told a news conference in Harlem to announce the Dec. 13 march.

    Appearing with Sharpton were the mother and widow of Eric Garner, 43, a father of six who died in July after police used a banned chokehold while arresting him for selling loose cigarettes.

    "This thing is just breaking my heart, just pulling me apart," said Gwen Carr, Garner's mother.

    Esaw Garner, his widow, said: "Who's gonna play Santa Claus for my kids this year?" (Writing by Ellen Wulfhorst, Reporting by Frank McGurty; Editing by Sandra Maler)"

    Al Sharpton Calls For March In Washington After Eric Garner Ruling

    Just like he did in Ferguson. Plans a news conference parading the victims family with him declaring the same rhetoric that the cop was guilty, the grand jury can't be trusted, all before one damn bit of Grand Jury evidence had been released. He used the victims family as sympathy pawns while he made unfounded accusations that fired up the crowd in NYC that later protested, assaulted police and chanted some pretty ugly hatred.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay.

    That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

    What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

    When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?



    I am not my brothers keeper. I simply speak my mind on the topic. who it agrees with and who it doesn't is not my concern. I think sharpton should be irrellevant except we have a media and a president who gives him counsel. so now we are stuck with the huckster. I would have respected him more had he come out and called out the protestors on the "national day of resistance", and the "million marchers",) who called for dead cops and denounced it, there would be no thread like this today.

    I also believe that had this gourp of protestors chanted as such at the one police plaza gathering point, they would not have been met with boos but perhaps even maybe some cheers, from present posters included.


    look, we now have all sides acting like idiots. you have th NYPD guy talking about "war policing" which actually sums up the problem nicely. They are police not soldiers no matter how hard they try to be the latter, the fact he would even say "War policing" shows the problem with thier mindset, then you have the other side who make mike brown out to be this poor victim, and tying him to an actual victim eric garner.

    top that off with all these well to do limousine liberal rich kids pretending to be down with the struggle of the black race and you have this whole circus we have today. It's insane on all sides and amazing I am arguing against actions of both police and protestor in numerous threads and basically get the same treatment from thier respective sycophants.

    It's all good, but my opinions are my own, not based on what others may or may not have said.

    And I did have a flyer that had who was the organizer was, and I really believe it was NAN.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again, there is NO PROOF OF THIS. None.

    There's a bunch of right wing news sites making the claim, without ANY sourced verification what so ever, that Sharpton was actively there, participating, or leading said protest. NONE. I've asked for it time and time again, nothing has been provided. NOTHING.

    At BEST, it may be a set of protesters that were part of a larger overall protest that was organized initially by a civil rights group founded by Sharpton...which is ENTIRELY different than suggesting SHARPTON made such statements, which is what was originally suggested.

    And even that isn't verified.

    Sharpton was in DC, an entirely different city, actively stating openly at the protest an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT message that was intrinsically against killing police (by suggesting they are not anti-police). To hold him responsible for rhetoric, or worse to suggest it originated or came from him, that he did not say, did not lead, and did not participate in...simply because the people saying it MAY have been part of a larger event that was originally organized by a civil rights group he's a founder of is ridiculously dishonest and illogical.
    I was pretty specific that I did not think Sharpton made any "murder" comments at all. Though of course he did call for people to go to the streets and protest. But you make a good point, as it has only been two days I suspect that if the protest in NY was part of Sharpton's "Million Marches" we will know the answer eventually. But I'm prepared to say right now that I have to agree with you, aside from Town Hall I don't see that assertion being reported anywhere else. I did some checking too. I can't even find a good link for the "Million Marches" protest and everything I am seeing seems to indicate that it was as you say, a DC related event. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for more developments on this.

    By the way, here is a very thorough reporting on the events in NY last week. I'm short on time and have to step away, so have not been able to really look at it yet to see if there is anything there. Is it possible that he protest in NY was called "Justice for All" not MM? No idea if that was associated or sponsored by Sharpton, like I said I'm literally out of time for this right now and will have to come back to it later.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The people in that video were not part of the group going to the police plaza. We were all there shortly after the sun set. The people in the video were around 34th street and farther east than our march went, and it was already dark. No one from the march was that far north or east that late.
    Nonsense, after you all dispersed, you went as far as blocking the west side highway, and other places.


    As I said, I don't know who the people in that video are or even if the video is real, but the location they're stated to be in is not one where the organized protesters were at any time the video could be taking place. Whoever they are, they were not part of the large march. And the march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton. No one who was actually part of the march called for violence against police. We called for them to be tried in an open court of law so that a jury of their peers could evaluate their guilt or innocence, rather than leave it to closed grand juries, which almost never indict police when they kill someone.
    wait, so now you think it was all a setup and fake? tell me how that would come about. lol


    the protest that day was large, you are speaking for all of it?
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Nonsense, after you all dispersed, you went as far as blocking the west side highway, and other places.
    Which would then be long after the video takes place. And you know, the march was over when it dispersed, so nothing that took place then would be part of it. What some people decided to do on their own has nothing to do with the organized march.

    wait, so now you think it was all a setup and fake? tell me how that would come about. lol
    I have no idea. I just know that the organized march was somewhere else when that was taking place, so those people aren't associated with it. I don't know if they were genuine, or a fake group trying to smear the protest, or if the video itself is fake with altered audio. I'm not even suggesting that it is fake. I honestly don't know. I'm just telling you what I do know. Whoever those people are, they were not associated with the organized march.

    the protest that day was large, you are speaking for all of it?
    Nope. Just speaking the facts.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Which would then be long after the video takes place. And you know, the march was over when it dispersed, so nothing that took place then would be part of it. What some people decided to do on their own has nothing to do with the organized march.
    You are hair splitting, of course the same people who were at your march would be the same people they were when they were blocking highways and chanting death to cops.


    I have no idea. I just know that the organized march was somewhere else when that was taking place, so those people aren't associated with it. I don't know if they were genuine, or a fake group trying to smear the protest, or if the video itself is fake with altered audio. I'm not even suggesting that it is fake. I honestly don't know. I'm just telling you what I do know. Whoever those people are, they were not associated with the organized march.
    To even suggest it was someone else, fake, is folly. They were part of the national day of outrage, etc. they were protesting like you. now what you can say, is that the organizers condemned what those other protesters were doing, but that never happened. Or hel even come out that day and say "they ain't us". but they didn't.

    They were at your march that day and dispersed into smaller groups like the rest of them.


    Nope. Just speaking the facts.

    That is non responsive to my question. you seem to believe you are the sole voice for the mindset of all the protestors in your midst.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.





    Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?
    Sharpton inflamed a volatile situation. It's part of the way he makes money. He tries to get in front of a large crowd or movement, makes lots of noise giving him power, and then when a situation comes up like Sony, he extorts money from them, becomes a spokesman for them and promises them he'll make their race problem go away.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Sharpton inflamed a volatile situation. It's part of the way he makes money. He tries to get in front of a large crowd or movement, makes lots of noise giving him power, and then when a situation comes up like Sony, he extorts money from them, becomes a spokesman for them and promises them he'll make their race problem go away.
    Sawdust who is funding Sharpton? Got any ideas?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Sawdust who is funding Sharpton? Got any ideas?
    Why is THAT relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Sawdust who is funding Sharpton? Got any ideas?
    Just a test.

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