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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ****ing beyond digusting when partisan hacks here and elsewhere used the death of a little girl and the injury to multiple poeple to push their pathetic political agendas in the past, and it's beyond disgusting when the same kind of thing is happening here as well.

    Al Sharpton did not call for Cops to be killed. Al Sharpton did not give any encouragement for cops to being killed. Al Sharpton did not advocate for any violence ot be done. Al Sharpton did not encourage for any illegal activity to be engaged in. Al Sharpton did not lead any chants calling for violence. Al Sharpton did not organize any protest aimed at spurring criminality.

    If you want to say Al Sharpton used irresponsible language and needlessly enflamed a situation via his comments and his support for significant protests, that's completely reasonable.

    If you want to suggest Al Sharpton specifically contributed to the death of two police officers you're being absolutely unreasonable and foolish, using horrible logic and guilt by association tactics at best, and outright falsehoods and dishonesty at worst.

    Sickening, disgusting, and sadly not surprising from those who must toe follow their political agendas at all costs, principles, logic, consistency, decency, or reasonableness be damned.


    That is my opinion, even if I could show sharpton said those words, at the end of the day we are responsible for our own actions.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    [QUOTE=eohrnberger;1064118289]FLASHBACK: Al Sharpton's Marchers in New York City Chant "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!" - Katie Pavlich[/qoute]

    Because an unsourced claim by Town Hall is clearly fact

    Let's ignore that Sharpton, on the day the youtube video was proported to have been video taped, was involved in a protest in DC....clearly, he was leading that group chanting because a random townhall report says so without any factual evidence backing it up.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I don't believe that was said.
    Yeah - the argument by "Hard Truth" was that people had infiltrated the anti-cop protests in order to embarrass them by instigating or participating in violence.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, this IS absolutely the same thing. I'm not dealing with the asinine "race hustlers" school yard terms. If you want to reference someone reference them by name. This thread is talking about Sharpton. Nothing sharpton has said can in any way, shape, or form reasonable be suggested a "inciting" a murder. NOTHING. There is not a SHRED of evidence presented thus far of Sharpton suggesting, encouraging, supporting, or even doing a Sharon Angle "hypothesising" of violence. NONE. Nadda. I've asked for it and not a single person has been able to provide.

    At best they point to a random youtube video of protesters that might be participating in a a protest that might be linked to a civil rights group that is tied to Sharpton....as some kind of proof that Sharpton's "rhetoric" had "contributed" to the death of these police officeres.

    The NAN has an active stance denouncing violence, and yet for some reason you seem to think that if Sharpton isn't proactively coming out and...what? making a press release? Doing the rounds on talk shows? Writing an editorial? Send out a tweet? What exactly..."denouncing" any craziness by anyone participating at any point in any protest connected to the NAN at all then it's somehow his fault?

    Please, how is that any different than suggesting the head of various tea party groups needs to proactively run around denouncing things every time a Tea Partier at a rally suggests some matter of violence? Or says something retarded about revolution? Or says something racists?

    It's ludicrous. Especially as it relates to the topic of this thread.
    I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated. The Rev has learned some harsh lessons since the days of the Fashion Mart. To his credit he has quickly and publicly distanced himself from these cries for cop murder as rightly he should IMO. In fact he has denounced the murders, but it is fair to point out where the call for cop murders came from. Maybe the Rev will learn a new set of lessons about what the impact of the protest he sponsors can be. It does not take much for a protest to morph into a MOB these days. Sadly Mr. Sharpton and his constant race pimping for decades now, does have some part in all of this repugnant s**t.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What "censorship in the mainstream media" are "progressives" advocating?
    Mostly the mutually-enforced kind.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That is my opinion, even if I could show sharpton said those words, at the end of the day we are responsible for our own actions.
    Okay.

    That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

    What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

    When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated. The Rev has learned some harsh lesson since the days of the Fashion Mart, so to his credit he has quickly and publicly distanced himself from these cries for cop murder as rightly he should IMO. In fact he has denounced the murders, but it is fair to point out where the call for those cop murders came from. Maybe the Rev will learn a new set of lessons about what the impact of the protest he sponsors can be. It does not take much for a protest to morph into a MOB these days. Sadly.
    Show the chant originated in the million march and not in the protest in NYC, come on back your "in fact" up.
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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated.
    Again, there is NO PROOF OF THIS. None.

    There's a bunch of right wing news sites making the claim, without ANY sourced verification what so ever, that Sharpton was actively there, participating, or leading said protest. NONE. I've asked for it time and time again, nothing has been provided. NOTHING.

    At BEST, it may be a set of protesters that were part of a larger overall protest that was organized initially by a civil rights group founded by Sharpton...which is ENTIRELY different than suggesting SHARPTON made such statements, which is what was originally suggested.

    And even that isn't verified.

    Sharpton was in DC, an entirely different city, actively stating openly at the protest an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT message that was intrinsically against killing police (by suggesting they are not anti-police). To hold him responsible for rhetoric, or worse to suggest it originated or came from him, that he did not say, did not lead, and did not participate in...simply because the people saying it MAY have been part of a larger event that was originally organized by a civil rights group he's a founder of is ridiculously dishonest and illogical.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah - the argument by "Hard Truth" was that people had infiltrated the anti-cop protests in order to embarrass them by instigating or participating in violence.
    ...and I stated it could be plausible. Any loon could show up to a protest or it could be provocateurs that show up.

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    Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    the dudes in the video were marching towards one police plaza, you do know that right? because you in your section of a large protest were not, does not excuse the part that did.
    The people in that video were not part of the group going to the police plaza. We were all there shortly after the sun set. The people in the video were around 34th street and farther east than our march went, and it was already dark. No one from the march was that far north or east that late. As I said, I don't know who the people in that video are or even if the video is real, but the location they're stated to be in is not one where the organized protesters were at any time the video could be taking place. Whoever they are, they were not part of the large march. And the march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton. No one who was actually part of the march called for violence against police. We called for them to be tried in an open court of law so that a jury of their peers could evaluate their guilt or innocence, rather than leave it to closed grand juries, which almost never indict police when they kill someone.
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