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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Of course not-Sharpton is too smart for that.

Then why did you claim?

"Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted"

Are you admitting you were either:

1. Flat out wrong
2. Lying

When you said that?

I'll be happy to indulge your attempt to move the goal posts once we've put to bed your initial claims and statements. However, until you actually address the absolutely fraudulent and false claims you initially made I'm not playing along with your attempts to reframe the discussion.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

What I thought was even funnier was indigent Tucker saying he didn't mind discussing police tactics and so forth, but THEY were making it an issue of race and that was unacceptable. It seems the entire network is making it about race, stoking racial division and fear. Tucker full of so much ****.

"Race hustler" is the new conservative term for "black guy we don't like."

The original post is ridiculously dishonest. There was one picture, followed by two videos. The first of the two videos is protesters saying "dead cops." Not cool, not acceptable. The second video is of Sharpton speaking at a rally, tastefully narrated by Fox News. They were not the same rally. Yet the obvious intent was to portray them as the same rally.

US Conservative, lying again.

And I'm speaking as someone who doesn't even LIKE Al Sharpton. It's funny that conservatives fancy themselves the ones who are all about personal responsibility ... until some "lib" says something you don't like, and then his Professor X mind control powers kick in and it's all his fault. Pathetic.

It takes a lot of nerve to accuse Al Sharpton of "Race hustling" when you're doing it in SPADES. Pun ****ing intended.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Not really-its in plain english

Yeah, it really is plain English. In plain english you misrepresented and/or flat out lied that Sharpton led a rally shouting for dead cops, and proceeded to use that as justification for Sharpton "contributing" to the death of two cops.

Did Sharpton's "rhetoric" contribute to the heated atmosphere? Yes. So has the "rhetoric" of the President, of various police officers, of various TV personalities, of Fox News, of CNN, of the New York Times or the New York Post, and everyone else commenting heavily about this issue, because it's helped to cause to grow to ridiculous proportions.

But did it contribute to the murder of two police officers? No. It's ridiculous to claim that an individuals speech that in no way directly incites, calls for, or directs people to commit a crime, "contributed" to murder.

Just as I said it was ridiculous to suggest that Tea Partiers or Sarah Palin "contributed" to the the murder of the little girl and the shooting of Gabby Giffords when people erroneously threw out such accusations (doubly stupidly, since it finally came out he wasn't a tea partier). And just as it would be ridiculous to accuse those people who created the "Zeitgiest" movie for the shooting. And just like it's ridiculous to suggest the Tea Party or Bundy Supporters "Contributed" to the death of Las Vegas Police Officers wrapped in "Don't tread on me" flags. It's ridiculous to blame Sharpton for the murder in this case. IF you want to cast blame at him in part for the over all enflamed atmosphere surrounding these cases, that's reasonable. That's entirely different than suggesting he actively contributed to the MURDER.
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Considering it likely went over your head, conservatives believe that being responsible for your own actions also includes responsibility for your own words. Liberals, even the fake Libertarian kind, believe they can spew whatever hate they want and then step back and wash their hands of the havoc they may cause.

A lot of people operate that way... right and left... could you be more of hack?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Firstly, Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a leftist with psych issues, secondly, what right wing rhetoric was calling for the deaths of congressional reps?

I don't think you can assign a schizoprehenic a political position. Even if you did, there is nothing to suggest he is either left nor right. He had a thing for women in power. The guy is a wackadoo, much like the guy that shot the cops in New York.

About as much as radical right-wing rhetoric was responsible for Gabrielle Giffords getting shot in the head.

I think Reinoe is right on target with the comparison.


BTW.... can't you post a poll without all this "leaning" garbage?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Show me where he, himself advocated for dead cops. I watched your video, and it was protesters shouting that at his rally. When and where did he ever endorse violence himself? Did he tell his crowd to go out and kill people? If you have a clip of him screaming for cops to be killed, that would dramatically change my opinion...

His rhetoric advocated dead cops, do you disagree?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Show me where anyone else advocated for the death of cops like in that sharpton led protest-and a week later 2 cops aren't going home to their families.

You mean the Sharpton-led protest he wasn't present at and wasn't organized by his group? Why continue to perpetuate that lie?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

His rhetoric advocated dead cops, do you disagree?

When? Provide a quote of rhetoric from him that advocated for dead cops. What rhetoric promoted that. You keep claiming it and have produced ZERO EVIDENCE of such.

Your own link has his rhetoric specifically saying he is not anti-cop, suggesting that most cops aren't bad, and suggesting they should stand against brutality (and it sure would seem that killing a cop is brutality). So please, what rhetoric are you speaking of, because it's not any rhetoric you've linked to thus far.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It wouldn't have been an interesting trial. If he were captured after killing two cops, he would have gotten the death penalty. That's how the majority of Americans feel about crimes like this. Mentally ill or not, he would be sentenced to die in America, because we don't flinch at killing mentally ill scumbags.

At no point did I absolve the shooter of his responsibility in the matter. Had he lived, that would have been up to a jury and a court to determine, including a determination of his mental capacity. It would have been an interesting trial and I would have loved to hear his testimony of why he drove to NYC to kill cops.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

When? Provide a quote of rhetoric from him that advocated for dead cops. What rhetoric promoted that. You keep claiming it and have produced ZERO EVIDENCE of such.

Your own link has his rhetoric specifically saying he is not anti-cop, suggesting that most cops aren't bad, and suggesting they should stand against brutality (and it sure would seem that killing a cop is brutality). So please, what rhetoric are you speaking of, because it's not any rhetoric you've linked to thus far.

You will never see that evidence, Zyphlin. They're not interested in anything that doesn't advance their agenda of demonization. They want Al Sharpton (and, you'll see, "the left" as a whole via guilt by association) to be responsible for those two officers' senseless murder, and they will say anything to further that.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It is very possible Sharpton and the protests are what tipped the scales for this man to kill the two policemen. He could have seen the march in NYC which was chanting, "What do you want, dead cops, when do we want it, we want it now."

Which Sharpton had nothing to do with, so how would Sharpton to be responsible if he was motivated by people Sharpton had nothing to do with chanting support for a crime being performed.

If you want to talk about whether or not those individuals in that particular crowd "contributed" to those deaths, that's at least a more reasonable argument, as you have a legitimate argument in terms of "inciting" the murder when you're talking about people actually directly advocating for the illegal activity in question.

But that has nothing to do with Sharpton.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

I recall when President Clinton tried to link Timothy McVeigh and his bombing in Oklahoma to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. This kind of stuff is not new. In fact I still see arguments like that made today. I saw Rudy Juiliani trying to do the same thing Clinton did, but only aimed at the current occupant of the White House. I don't think any of this s**t is helping.

It's not new, which is what is frustrating as hell about it.

From McVeigh, to Loughner, to Andrew Stack, to Sparkman, to the Las Vegas Police... There's been so many times on this forum I've seen an incident happen and people IMMEDIATELY jumped on it as a chance to use the dead to push their political position and proclaim that some group or some politician was significantly responsible for the potentially criminal act that was committed based on nothing but an assumption that their "rhetoric" had "encouraged" the act. And each and every time I've argued vehemently against such an outrageous, dishonest, hackish stance...

And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to simply sit back and allow such ridiculous and specious attempts to attack and blame someone other than the murderer, due to speech that was in no way encouraging or intended to cause a crime, simply because I'm a "conservative" and this time it's a liberal in the cross hair.

It's beyond ridiculous and dishonest.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Wrong Weatherman, that's the guy who killed a cop on the east coast.

Bernardine killed a cop in San Francisco.

Back in the day, liberals, Marxist and socialist didn't call police officers cops but "pigs."

Eric Frein wasn't a Weatherman. He was a right-wing extremist that murdered one cop and tried to kill another earlier this year. You know, cop-killing, that "left-wing" pastime.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Firstly, Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a leftist with psych issues, secondly, what right wing rhetoric was calling for the deaths of congressional reps?

Why do they only have mental illness when it suits your political motives?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

It's not new, which is what is frustrating as hell about it.

From McVeigh, to Loughner, to Andrew Stack, to Sparkman, to the Las Vegas Police... There's been so many times on this forum I've seen an incident happen and people IMMEDIATELY jumped on it as a chance to use the dead to push their political position and proclaim that some group or some politician was significantly responsible for the potentially criminal act that was committed based on nothing but an assumption that their "rhetoric" had "encouraged" the act. And each and every time I've argued vehemently against such an outrageous, dishonest, hackish stance...

And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to simply sit back and allow such ridiculous and specious attempts to attack and blame someone other than the murderer, due to speech that was in no way encouraging or intended to cause a crime, simply because I'm a "conservative" and this time it's a liberal in the cross hair.

It's beyond ridiculous and dishonest.

Of course you are. We're supposed to play our side and say "Go team" at every chance. That's why I love Al Sharpton and worship at the feet of Joe Biden, and am a card carrying member of Hamas (all of which I've been accused of, I might add).
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

And this is exactly why unchecked inflammatory rhetoric is so dangerous and people who trade in venomous speech should take responsibility for their part in this situation.

To me, that's the entire relevance of this thread and the entire nature of my posts in it.

There is inflammatory, unchecked rhetoric pouring out of talk radio on this issue combined with falsehoods courtesy of the Fox News clip posted in this thread. Bad information and inflammatory rhetoric occurs on both the left and right wing networks. It happens every single day in the US media, and it hasn't led to mass murders nor will it.

You're statements are beyond hackery.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

:lol:

I think most people would be happy if police served and protected the community, wore body cameras, and were better trained. The debate could even go into the area of the militarization of our police forces, and the government turning arrest and imprisionment into a for-profit industry, but in the Fox News clips posted in the OP, the discussion was instead focused on provoking racial division and fear.

The story is going to go away in a few weeks, and all your fears of cops walking off their jobs will be gone too...


The police will have to capitulate eventually. Personally I'd like to see them all walk off the job in protest, but that won't happen. But it's what some people deserve. For every post I see saying something positive about cops, I see 10 saying ugly things about them. I'd like to see NYC survive for a day without the police, and then maybe people would not be so ugly.

The attorney general has proven himself to be useless. He has done nothing to stop this either, or even lessen the impact of what happened, either in Ferguson or the Garner situation.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

:lol:

I think most people would be happy if police served and protected the community, wore body cameras, and were better trained. The debate could even go into the area of the militarization of our police forces, and the government turning arrest and imprisionment into a for-profit industry, but in the Fox News clips posted in the OP, the discussion was instead focused on provoking racial division and fear.

The story is going to go away in a few weeks, and all your fears of cops walking off their jobs will be gone too...

Body cameras and Fox News have nothing to do with 2 police men being executed.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Eric Frein wasn't a Weatherman. He was a right-wing extremist that murdered one cop and tried to kill another earlier this year. You know, cop-killing, that "left-wing" pastime.

Talk about thread drift.

Eric Frein is not right wing, he's described to having "fairly liberal views."

>" — he did not seem to have strong political leanings.

"He had some fairly liberal views, and he had some fairly conservative views. Some maybe were a little farther to the right than what most people would give. ... He didn't follow a line. He was his own person. He wasn't just a cookie cutter of another group or entity. He definitely had his own independent mind-set,"..."<

Who is Eric Frein? | lehighvalleylive.com
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Just because I'm really, REALLY sick of the hacks on both sides desperately trying to play the "This crazy belongs to you and I'll desperately try to imply he's just a standard [left/right]ist!" game...

In terms of Loughner

I wouldn't say this guy was a left-winger. I wouldn't say he could be classified as "ANY" wing in the classical sense. He's a lot like the lunatic that flew his plane into the IRS building some months back. He's a "bipartisan" whackjob...one who is as likely to spit on Reagan as he would to spit on Obama. From his youtube videos and other things that have came out with regards to his associations and comments, the guy has view points that fall in line with stereotypes of extreme conservatism, extreme liberalism, and extreme libertarianism. Its a mistake to really attempt to put this guy in either political camp. Even if he's "left wing" or "right wing" he's that in a similar sense that a 1 bedroom shack is as much a house as a mansion is. Its unfair to clearly label him as any common ideology, because none of it fits him well and the only reason to do such is to attempt and insult/degrade/implicate through passive correlation.

He had ONE friend that came out afterwords that claimed at one point he was a radical liberal, but acknowledged that his views and attitude had significantly changed since the time they were friends. Another friend came out and suggested he wasn't really someone you could tie to any particular political persuasion. He had plenty of things about him that when taken alone would cause the hacks on this board to scream "LEFT WING!" or "RIGHT WING" at the top of their lungs. Stop it. Stop being hacks. Stop desperately attempting to tie every ****ing lunatic fringe crazy to an ideology in this ridiculous attempt to act like no one notices your transparent hope to slander that entire side by making such a comparison. Stop it.

The Tea Party does not want people to die. Al Sharpton does not want people to die. Democrats do not want people to die. Republicans do not want people to die. Peoples "rhetoric" is not being done with a desire for people to be murdered. Stop this pathetic and repeated attempts to blame groups for crimes they in no way advocated for simply because some lunatic shares a random view point with them here or there.

The Loughner point isn't about whether or not he's left or right, tea party or not. It's more to the point that initially....regardless of the fact that in the end it was unabashedly false...people attempted to blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and suggested their "rhetoric" was responsible and contributed to the death. And before anyone knew for certain this guy was or wasn't a fan of Palin or the tea party, people...RIGHTFULLY...on the right claimed that attacks on the tea party and attempts to place blame on them or Sarah Palin for such a thing was ridiculous because Palin nor the Tea Party actively advocated for violence or crime and their statements or "rhetoric" in no way meant for crime to occur, and that the only person to "blame" was the shooter.

The exact same thing goes here as it relates to Sharpton.

As it relates to the entirely separate protesters that had nothing to do with Sharpton, there's a more legitimate argument to be made as they at least are directly "inciting" that specific criminal act...and even then, we'd need to see some evidence that the killer actually heard and was in part motivated by said protests. But at least in that case the hypothetical makes some sense since they, unlike Sharpton, actively were advocating for illegal activity.
 
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