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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Is there any way de Blasio could have criticized police that would have not, from your perspective, made an attack more likely? Or would any criticism of the police from him have made an attack more likely?


    A quote from his son is not a quote from him. That said, given that the quote was part of his campaign, I'll accept it. I don't, however, believe that advocating an end to stop-and-frisk and saying that it unfairly targets people of color is anti-police. Stop-and-frisk is a policy. Saying that stop-and-frisk is a problem is saying that that specific policy is a problem, not police. Police didn't even come up with the policy. To draw the conclusion that de Blasio is anti-police from that stance requires an extraordinary leap of logic. Also, a federal judge found that stop-and-frisk was discriminatory as did a report by New York Branch of the ACLU and a report by the Center for Constitutional Rights. De Blasio was right about that.
    I'm not going to try to draft remarks for de Blasio. Given his history, his margin for error in criticizing the police would be small indeed.

    The decision against stop-and-frisk was stayed by a higher court and the judge who made that decision was removed from the case.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Anti-Police Rhetoric Unlike Anything I've Seen - Howard Safir, Time

    ". . . . When Ismaaiyl Abdulah Brinsley brutally executed Officers Ramos and Liu he did so in an atmosphere of permissiveness and anti-police rhetoric unlike any that I have seen in 45 years in law enforcement. The rhetoric this time is not from the usual suspects, but from the Mayor of New York City, the Attorney General of the United States, and even the President. It emboldens criminals and sends a message that every encounter a black person has with a police officer is one to be feared. Nothing could be further from the truth. We will never know what was in the mind of Brinsley when he shot officers Ramos and Liu. However we do know that he has seen nothing but police bashing from some of the highest officials in the land. . . . "
    Maybe the is a reason for the anti police rhetoric, I asked you if you watched the video of Garner being killed by the cops, but you did not answer. Gee, wonder why.

    Was the gun used to kill the cops partially responsible?


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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Maybe the is a reason for the anti police rhetoric, I asked you if you watched the video of Garner being killed by the cops, but you did not answer. Gee, wonder why.

    Was the gun used to kill the cops partially responsible?
    Like everyone else in the US, I saw that video several dozen times.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Is there any way de Blasio could have criticized police in a way that would NOT have made him responsible for this murder, in your eyes. Or is all criticism of police from this point forward now responsible for murder any hypothetical future murders?


    What quote from de Blasio makes you think he is anti-police instead of just anti-police-abuse?
    You keep stating the operative words. Critical "of police". Let me ask you...what would be YOUR response if people cited a specifc example of despicable behavior committed by a black person and were critical "of black people"?

    And there is your answer. de Blasio should have been a ****ing HERO. He should have cited the millions of honest hard working cops out there every day putting their lives on the line and DEMANDED that the questions raised about the Garner incident be addressed with the specific officer involved. If there were other examples, cite them as well. He should have, as the leader of NYC, set the tone for those discussions. He should have demanded it of the scumbags like Sharpton. He should have IMMEDIATELY and from the highest rooftops in NYC and on every media outlet throughout the city demanded responsible dialogue and not sensationalist bull**** that ended up causing people to chant in the streets "What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? RIGHT NOW!"
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    I think the New York police union said the mayor had blood on his hands for the 2 police getting killed....does that also mean if republicans call Obama a dictator or a hitler and he gets assassinated they will have blood on their hands...if it provokes someone to kill the prez


    The head of the police union is disgustingly exploiting a tragedy. "Blood on his hands" is pure hate-filled rhetoric designed only to fuel the debate and play martyr.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not going to try to draft remarks for de Blasio. Given his history, his margin for error in criticizing the police would be small indeed.
    I'm not asking you to draft remarks. I'm asking you de Blasio could have criticized the police in a way that would not made an attack more likely. It's a yes or no answer. So, yes or no?

    The decision against stop-and-frisk was stayed by a higher court and the judge who made that decision was removed from the case.
    That partially correct. U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk was unconstitutional because it was discriminatory. The U.S. Federal Appeals Court removed Scheindlin from from the case (a decision that was criticized by many legal professionals), but upheld her ruling that it was unconstitutional. While the Appeals could did put a stay on her ruling that the City needed to restructure of the program, it refused to completely toss out the original ruling and eventually threw out the appeal that challenged it.

    In addition, your avoidance of the two reports which demonstrate discrimination is noted.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Prior to the mayoralty of Rudy Giuliani, New York had a major crime problem. Giuliani instituted a police policy were the police had a zero tolerance policy for even the smallest infractions. Soon, crime abated and New York became a comparatively safe city. Di Blazio is no Giuliani. His commissioner is tolerant of minor infractions and Di Blazio is conciliatory towards the protestors that disrupted the city. He earned the disrespect of the cities police force and his tolerance of the protest some believe encouraged future violence against police in New York. I don't know if Di Blazio has blood on his hands but I believe he's a bad person.
    Mayor Rudy and his zero tolerance no broken windows policy had nothing to do with the decline in NYC's crime rate. It reduced no more and no less than every other city across the world, in keeping with the research into the banning of leaded gasoline.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Mayor Rudy and his zero tolerance no broken windows policy had nothing to do with the decline in NYC's crime rate. It reduced no more and no less than every other city across the world, in keeping with the research into the banning of leaded gasoline.
    I'd say "broken windows" policing is FAR more responsible for the ever-growing divide between poor minority communities and urban police departments than any "rhetoric" from Sharpton, de Blasio or Obama.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not asking you to draft remarks. I'm asking you de Blasio could have criticized the police in a way that would not made an attack more likely. It's a yes or no answer. So, yes or no?


    That partially correct. U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk was unconstitutional because it was discriminatory. The U.S. Federal Appeals Court removed Scheindlin from from the case (a decision that was criticized by many legal professionals), but upheld her ruling that it was unconstitutional. While the Appeals could did put a stay on her ruling that the City needed to restructure of the program, it refused to completely toss out the original ruling and eventually threw out the appeal that challenged it.

    In addition, your avoidance of the two reports which demonstrate discrimination is noted.
    Sorry, it never occurred to me that you would expect me to take the ACLU and CCR seriously in this matter. They find discrimination in the sunrise because light displaces dark. I already answered your question whether de Blasio could have said anything that would not have made an attack more likely. You quoted it. The matter is not reducible to yes or no.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The head of the police union is disgustingly exploiting a tragedy. "Blood on his hands" is pure hate-filled rhetoric designed only to fuel the debate and play martyr.
    Protesters walked the Streets of NY chanting they " wanted Dead Cops now ".

    THAT'S hate speech and its part of a growing narrative that led to two innocent Police Officers losing their lives.

    DeBlasio put his lot in with these " protesters " and exploited this massive and out of control false narrative for Political gain.

    It backfired on him.

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