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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The killer had a history of mental instability.
    I'd submit to you that anyone who commits murder has some form of mental instability, often historical. The point, from my perspective, is that there are apparently an infinite number of mentally unstable individuals who need little to help justifying such actions. It's why people should be careful and self-filter their own inflammatory rhetoric.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

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    For Mayor de Blasio and New York Police, a Rift Is Ripped ...

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    13 hours ago - Since Mr. de Blasio's crusade on the campaign trail against what he ... After reports of an attack on two police lieutenants during protests on the ...

    ". . . Since Mr. de Blasio’s crusade on the campaign trail against what he viewed as overreaching by the police in the Bloomberg administration, those close to the mayor have professed that securing the trust of officers was an essential, complicated task.

    And for much of the department, it seems, he has fallen far short.
    “This is a nightmare of the highest magnitude for everyone,” said Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives’ Endowment Association. Leaders at City Hall, he added, “need to dig down deep in their souls and understand that campaigning to be a leader is easier than being a leader.”. . .
    You quoted people agreeing with you. I asked for quotes from de Blasio that show he is anti-police. Also, you didn't answer my other question : Is there any way de Blasio could have criticized police in a way that would NOT have made him responsible for this murder, in your eyes. Or is all criticism of police from this point forward now responsible for murder any hypothetical future murder

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You quoted people agreeing with you. I asked for quotes from de Blasio that show he is anti-police. Also, you didn't answer my other question : Is there any way de Blasio could have criticized police in a way that would NOT have made him responsible for this murder, in your eyes. Or is all criticism of police from this point forward now responsible for murder any hypothetical future murder
    De Blasio's past campaign rhetoric makes it difficult for him to be credible in support of the police. And I have not said he was responsible for the murders. I said his rhetoric made an attack more likely. His campaign characterization of stop-and-frisk as discriminatory was the beginning of anti-police incitement (and also a lie).

    ". . . And he's been helped by a much-discussed campaign ad starring his multiracial son, Dante, who wears his hair in a 1970s-style Afro. The 15-year-old tells voters that his father is "the only one who will end a stop-and-frisk era that unfairly targets people of color.". . .



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    Aug 29, 2013 - New York City public advocate Bill de Blasio has surged to a commanding ... August 29, 2013 3:31 AM ET ... candidates for mayor of New York City face off for a debate on Aug ... De Blasio has positioned himself as the anti-Bloomberg: an ... especially since a federal judge ruled that the police department's ...
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

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    New Yorkers Who Like Cops Don’t Like De Blasio

    By Harry Enten

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is in a tight spot politically after the fatal shooting of two New York Police Department officers, Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, on Saturday. In an effort to close the divide between himself and the city’s police, de Blasio on Monday called on those protesting a grand jury’s decision not to indict an NYPD officer in the choking death of Eric Garner to suspend their demonstrations.


    De Blasio’s problem is that many of these marchers are part of his political base, while the NYPD’s base of support is quite different. That is, if a voter approves of the job the police are doing, then he or she is very likely to disapprove of the job the mayor is doing.


    This can be seen in a recent Quinnipiac University poll in which support for both the police and de Blasio were split nearly down the middle. Fifty-one percent of voters approved of the job the police were doing, while 41 percent disapproved. A similar 47 approved of the job the mayor was doing, while 38 percent disapproved. Among the 17 subgroups (age, borough, political identification, race, sex, etc.) released by Quinnipiac, support for one is the inverse of support for the other. . . .
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. He's partly responsible. He's the Mayor.
    Totally ridiculous, but that's what I've come to expect from you... Partisan hackery.


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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Totally ridiculous, but that's what I've come to expect from you... Partisan hackery.
    Tsk tsk. The Mayor played with matches and helped start a fire.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Tsk tsk. The Mayor played with matches and helped start a fire.
    The shooter was a nutcase and the mayor had nothing to do with it. It was the video of the cops killing him that outraged the shooter. HAVE YOU SEEN IT??


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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The shooter was a nutcase and the mayor had nothing to do with it. It was the video of the cops killing him that outraged the shooter. HAVE YOU SEEN IT??
    Anti-Police Rhetoric Unlike Anything I've Seen - Howard Safir, Time

    ". . . . When Ismaaiyl Abdulah Brinsley brutally executed Officers Ramos and Liu he did so in an atmosphere of permissiveness and anti-police rhetoric unlike any that I have seen in 45 years in law enforcement. The rhetoric this time is not from the usual suspects, but from the Mayor of New York City, the Attorney General of the United States, and even the President. It emboldens criminals and sends a message that every encounter a black person has with a police officer is one to be feared. Nothing could be further from the truth. We will never know what was in the mind of Brinsley when he shot officers Ramos and Liu. However we do know that he has seen nothing but police bashing from some of the highest officials in the land. . . . "
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    De Blasio's past campaign rhetoric makes it difficult for him to be credible in support of the police. And I have not said he was responsible for the murders. I said his rhetoric made an attack more likely. His campaign characterization of stop-and-frisk as discriminatory was the beginning of anti-police incitement (and also a lie).
    Is there any way de Blasio could have criticized police that would have not, from your perspective, made an attack more likely? Or would any criticism of the police from him have made an attack more likely?

    ". . . And he's been helped by a much-discussed campaign ad starring his multiracial son, Dante, who wears his hair in a 1970s-style Afro. The 15-year-old tells voters that his father is "the only one who will end a stop-and-frisk era that unfairly targets people of color.". . .

    Yet Another Democrat Takes The Lead In NYC Mayor Race ...

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    Aug 29, 2013 - New York City public advocate Bill de Blasio has surged to a commanding ... August 29, 2013 3:31 AM ET ... candidates for mayor of New York City face off for a debate on Aug ... De Blasio has positioned himself as the anti-Bloomberg: an ... especially since a federal judge ruled that the police department's ...
    A quote from his son is not a quote from him. That said, given that the quote was part of his campaign, I'll accept it. I don't, however, believe that advocating an end to stop-and-frisk and saying that it unfairly targets people of color is anti-police. Stop-and-frisk is a policy. Saying that stop-and-frisk is a problem is saying that that specific policy is a problem, not police. Police didn't even come up with the policy. To draw the conclusion that de Blasio is anti-police from that stance requires an extraordinary leap of logic. Also, a federal judge found that stop-and-frisk was discriminatory as did a report by New York Branch of the ACLU and a report by the Center for Constitutional Rights. De Blasio was right about that.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Totally ridiculous, but that's what I've come to expect from you... Partisan hackery.

    Chants by the protesters that DeBlasio supports include but are not limited to...

    " What do we want ? " " Dead Cops " " When do we want them ? " " Now " !!

    Yes, he's got blood on his hands.

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