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Thread: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    De Blasio, in my view, came out and spoke as a person who supported the Garner family after the GJ verdict, not as the Mayor of a major American city with a high population of minorities and a history of tension between police and those minorities.

    When De Blasio spoke, why was he surrounded only by black people, none of them police officers? Why did he not say anything about the good work that police do for the city? Why didn't he speak about respect for the GJ process and the GJ decision?

    He spoke only of the pain felt by the father and family of Eric Garner, whom he called a "good man". Did he know anything about Eric Garner and his criminal record?

    Did De Blasio take responsibility for his role in the crackdown on illegal cigarette sales in NYC? Did he say that he and his city council were wrong to push police to exert what seems like zero tolerance in that regard?

    De Blasio could have done a lot for his city to help it get past this event but he chose to exploit it on an irrational and emotional level and he wasn't man enough to take some of the blame.

    He deserves all the backlash he's getting and going to get for his role in this sad situation.
    That pretty much hits the nail on the head. Lots of folks saw only a chance to exploit tragedy and stoke resentment for personal political gain.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    de Blasio is one of many who shares some responsibility. But he is far from alone.

    I loved what the cops did to him in the hospital that night.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Your perception of de Blasio's actions "anti-police" and your belief that his actions "made a violent incident more likely" isn't salient to me. Such a perception seems rooted in misplaced anger and frustration.
    De Blasio's campaign for mayor was built around an anti-police message. By delegitimizing the police he made an incident like this more likely.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    The Mayor needs to take whatever steps are necessary to achieve some sort of grudging reconciliation. No, I don't know what they are. I also don't know what reasons there would be for his resignation, but De Blasio needs to do something.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    The guy who shot the cops is the one who is reponsible.

    While the mayor and others may've acted unwisely in ways that helped enflame the population, the only person responsible for the actual murder is the person actulaly perpetrating the murder

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    If anyone is interested and gets a chance, visit CNN and have a look at the Rudy Guilliani interview from this morning. The man was brilliant in basically eviscerating De Blasio, Sharpton, and Holder.

    I particularly liked his comment about De Blasio and his use of his son for political purposes and questioning why De Blasio warned his son about interaction with the police and didn't encourage his son to respect and cooperate with police if he had contact with them. And rather than be afraid of police he should have advised his son to be careful around black youth because the chances of being the victim of violence at the hands of other black youth is astronomical while being the victim of violence at the hands of police is miniscule.

    Guilliani is the anti-PC politician and that's what makes him great - he lays it out there honestly, straight forward, even if it's uncomfortable. More politicians should be like him.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The guy who shot the cops is the one who is reponsible.

    While the mayor and others may've acted unwisely in ways that helped enflame the population, the only person responsible for the actual murder is the person actulaly perpetrating the murder
    That's fair, but it's not actually legally correct. Courts have frequently found that those who incite or encourage violence can be found culpable when the violence they encouraged occurs. It's why Michael Brown's stepfather was being investigated for criminal behaviour when he encouraged the crowd to burn Ferguson down.

    People with a microphone have to temper their hate speech.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In the context established by de Blasio's anti-police campaign for office, his remarks were understood by many as a broad questioning of police legitimacy. In the environment of fragile social peace in NYC in recent weeks, that made a violent incident more likely. Your second paragraph is just a broad smear that does not merit a response.
    ****, that remark is so ****ing out of touch, it's not even funny.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The only person responsible for the tragic deaths of those officers was the man that killed them, Ismaaiyl Brinsley. It is not the fault of the protesters, it is not the fault of the media, it is not the fault of the mayor. Ismaaiyl Brinsley made a decision to attack those police officers. It is sad, but nobody has blood on there hands except for him. There are policemen in this world who abuse their power, hence the protests. But even the most devout of protesters would not advocate for the killing of police officers who have done nothing but serve their city. Even with all the negative attention toward our officers, it was never about getting back at police officers. It was about bringing those who abuse their power to justice. Mayor de Blasio does not own fault in this either. The only peorson who deserves the blame is that bas**** in a body bag who decided to target innocent public servants.
    I believe some blame might be directed to the cop that applied
    the chokehold on Garner. Perhaps the NYPD for not indicting
    him, but they did fire him, I think. DeBlasio simply stated what
    millions of others feel, and by not having NYPD stand with him
    when he said it was suggesting they might alter future actions.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    De Blasio's campaign for mayor was built around an anti-police message. By delegitimizing the police he made an incident like this more likely.
    I didn't see de Blasio's campaign in that manner and I believe that people who saw his anti-abuse-of-power message in that manner either have a dangerous idea of police power or a distorted view of reality. I'm curious though, if someone assassinates President Obama, would the people who endorse anti-Obama messages be responsible for that?

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