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Thread: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Mayor de Blasio expressed sympathy for Black New Yorkers who are sick of racial profiling and its, sometimes fatal, consequences. He did this while also calling for peaceful protest and making it clear that he did not think all police officers were a problem. To argue that such measured behavior inspired someone to kill two people is absurd. It is a leap of logic so wide that it could only be made by those determined to arrive at that conclusion. So no, the Mayor is not responsible.

    I also want to note that my hypothesis is that most of the people who are trying to blame de Blasio and others for this murder are people who were already opposed to the anti-police-brutality demonstrations taking place nationwide. I suspect that they are using these deaths to promote a position they already held and shame/scare people into stopping the protests and other forms of criticism. If I am correct, then their behavior is even more absurd and shameful than it is on the surface.
    In the context established by de Blasio's anti-police campaign for office, his remarks were understood by many as a broad questioning of police legitimacy. In the environment of fragile social peace in NYC in recent weeks, that made a violent incident more likely. Your second paragraph is just a broad smear that does not merit a response.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What could DiBlasio have done differently to prevent this? You think the probably-mentally-ill shooter would not have been inclined to shoot two cops if DiBlasio had said the cops in the Garner incident were in the right?
    De Blasio, in my view, came out and spoke as a person who supported the Garner family after the GJ verdict, not as the Mayor of a major American city with a high population of minorities and a history of tension between police and those minorities.

    When De Blasio spoke, why was he surrounded only by black people, none of them police officers? Why did he not say anything about the good work that police do for the city? Why didn't he speak about respect for the GJ process and the GJ decision?

    He spoke only of the pain felt by the father and family of Eric Garner, whom he called a "good man". Did he know anything about Eric Garner and his criminal record?

    Did De Blasio take responsibility for his role in the crackdown on illegal cigarette sales in NYC? Did he say that he and his city council were wrong to push police to exert what seems like zero tolerance in that regard?

    De Blasio could have done a lot for his city to help it get past this event but he chose to exploit it on an irrational and emotional level and he wasn't man enough to take some of the blame.

    He deserves all the backlash he's getting and going to get for his role in this sad situation.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    De Blasio, in my view, came out and spoke as a person who supported the Garner family after the GJ verdict, not as the Mayor of a major American city with a high population of minorities and a history of tension between police and those minorities.

    When De Blasio spoke, why was he surrounded only by black people, none of them police officers? Why did he not say anything about the good work that police do for the city? Why didn't he speak about respect for the GJ process and the GJ decision?

    He spoke only of the pain felt by the father and family of Eric Garner, whom he called a "good man". Did he know anything about Eric Garner and his criminal record?

    Did De Blasio take responsibility for his role in the crackdown on illegal cigarette sales in NYC? Did he say that he and his city council were wrong to push police to exert what seems like zero tolerance in that regard?

    De Blasio could have done a lot for his city to help it get past this event but he chose to exploit it on an irrational and emotional level and he wasn't man enough to take some of the blame.

    He deserves all the backlash he's getting and going to get for his role in this sad situation.
    ^ Does anyone believe any of that really had anything to do with this whacko shooting two cops? He shot his girlfriend before the incident.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ^ Does anyone believe any of that really had anything to do with this whacko shooting two cops? He shot his girlfriend before the incident.
    Yes. It did. Social peace breaks at a weak point.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. It did.
    So let me get this straight.

    You think this joker shot his girlfriend in Baltimore, then drove to New York City and shot two cops, because Bill De Blasio was overly sympathetic to Eric Garner's family.

    That is ridiculous.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So let me get this straight.

    You think this joker shot his girlfriend in Baltimore, then drove to New York City and shot two cops, because Bill De Blasio was overly sympathetic to Eric Garner's family.

    That is ridiculous.
    He shot the girlfriend, then decided to go to NYC and shoot cops. Check out his Facebook and Twitter items.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He shot the girlfriend, then decided to go to NYC and shoot cops. Check out his Facebook and Twitter items.
    Yes, I understand that, and the guy is quite clearly mental. But if De Blasio had been more supportive of the cops, you honestly think this guy would have been like "yeah, I guess I won't shoot any cops today"?
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, I understand that, and the guy is quite clearly mental. But if De Blasio had been more supportive of the cops, you honestly think this guy would have been like "yeah, I guess I won't shoot any cops today"?
    I'm not sure the shooter was so far off center mentally. And yes, de Blasio helped diminish police legitimacy and made it more likely someone would take a shot. It just happened to be this guy.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ^ Does anyone believe any of that really had anything to do with this whacko shooting two cops? He shot his girlfriend before the incident.
    Not being mentally ill nor a practitioner in the health and care of the mentally ill, I have no idea what the man was thinking at the time. One can only go by his own words and the context in which the crime was committed.

    Let me ask you - why do you think he drove from Baltimore to NYC to kill cops? Are there no cops in Baltimore? What would be the purpose for singling out NYC cops if not because of the Garner case and the political reaction surrounding it?
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Prior to the mayoralty of Rudy Giuliani, New York had a major crime problem. Giuliani instituted a police policy were the police had a zero tolerance policy for even the smallest infractions. Soon, crime abated and New York became a comparatively safe city. Di Blazio is no Giuliani. His commissioner is tolerant of minor infractions and Di Blazio is conciliatory towards the protestors that disrupted the city. He earned the disrespect of the cities police force and his tolerance of the protest some believe encouraged future violence against police in New York. I don't know if Di Blazio has blood on his hands but I believe he's a bad person.
    There's the problem right there. The police learned to use overwhelming force for even the smallest infractions, and used it in this case.


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