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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think it's really funny that you keep strawmanning and changing the goal posts.

    Your initial post suggested "there was no plausible explanation why he chose not to kill baltimore cops" but instead went to NYC to kill cops. I was simply putting forward another "plausible explanation", not stating definitively what I personally believed.

    Your hypothetical question that I responded to was not asking why he killed cops in general, it asked why he chose to kill in New York instead of Baltimore.

    It's entirely plausible that he chose to kill in New York instead of Baltimore because Garner was killed in New York.

    Trying to talk about how he got the idea to kill cops, IN GENERAL, is moving the goal posts from the original comment I was responding to.
    You don't need to twist my words, just react to them if you don't like them.

    I said there was no plausible reason why he drove to NYC to kill cops instead of killing cops in Baltimore if it wasn't for the anti-cop rhetoric and the publication of that anti-cop rhetoric coming from NYC. That's undeniable unless you think a little voice informed him of the matter.

    You keep dismissing this yet your only explanation is "because Garner was killed by NYC cops". Well, so what? How did he hear about Garner and why did it impress him to the point of driving to NYC to kill cops?

    As an aside, I'm interested to see that CNN is now noting that this guy was in NYC 3 hours before he shot the cops, caught on surveillance video in a shopping center in Brooklyn. Police are interested, and I'm pretty interested too, to see what he was doing in NYC for three hours prior to assassinating the cops. Did he meet anyone there? Did he attend any protests? Police are interested to know if he had any accomplices. I'm not sure we've seen or heard all this story has to offer.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    According to Mayor De Blasio, the media is to blame.

    De Blasio blames media and exposes his heart lies with protesters | New York Post

    De Blasio blames media and exposes his heart lies with protesters

    He accused the reporters assembled in front of him of stoking outrage by focusing on “the few” protesters doing “immoral” things.

    “They are wrong,” he said, his voice rising.

    “But are you going to keep dividing us? What you manage to do is pull up the few who do not represent the majority.”

    He called it “unfair,” and insisted most protesters were peaceful but “you guys enable” the troublemakers.

    He went on in the vein for several minutes, becoming more forceful and shutting down a persistent reporter by addressing him as “my friend,” a phrase he paired with a death stare.


    Such a great leader. "You guys enable".

    Everyone else's fault.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The only martyrs in this story are the 2 dead policemen.

    The head of the police union has every right to be angry, and like the garbage who chanted that they wanted dead cops, also has the right to say what's on his mind. And he is speaking for thousands of cops in NYC and other places who feel exactly as he does.


    angry yes, but no one, especially those in a leadership role have no right to escalate to incite. The man is a dolt.

    The only one I have heard so far being even remotely responsible is the mayor who is calling for calm, and directing people's hearts to the families of all who have lost loved ones.

    The rest are simply irresponsible exploiting an enfolding tragedy to further their own selfish ends.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    According to Mayor De Blasio, the media is to blame.
    Utter putz. how he can turn around and blame the media while not pointing at a similar finger to himself is laughable.

    What's even more laughable however is him complaining about the media focusing on "the few" prosters acting wrongly...while ignoring the irony of the fact he was "teaching" his son about the potential problems he'll face from comments due his own focus on "the few" cops who actually act wrong instead of the majority.

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    So if a cop shoots another unarmed black man is it the police union's fault?

    I don't think anyone is the blame for killing those two cops, except the shooter. But if there has to be blame then the police union is just as culpable as the protesters or the mayor or anyone else spewing garbage to the media. But when a mayor can't speak the truth and the police start to provoke more trouble than they prevent, then perhaps it's time to rethink that police department from top to bottom starting with the Stop and Frisk and the Broken Window polices and the quality of the police training. If DiBlasio was elected to change those policies then naturally there's going to be resistance within the police department, so he needs to be careful not to alienate the entire police department.

    Speaking of the media....they probably hold the most blame for all the lying, exaggerating and fueling the divide between the police and the public these last few months. But the fact is, black men are disproportionally killed by cops and fill the prisons more than whites, so sooner or later the protests and public debate were bound to happen and now is as good a time as any.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So if a cop shoots another unarmed black man is it the police union's fault?

    I don't think anyone is the blame for killing those two cops, except the shooter. But if there has to be blame then the police union is just as culpable as the protesters or the mayor or anyone else spewing garbage to the media. But when a mayor can't speak the truth and the police start to provoke more trouble than they prevent, then perhaps it's time to rethink that police department from top to bottom starting with the Stop and Frisk and the Broken Window polices and the quality of the police training. If DiBlasio was elected to change those policies then naturally there's going to be resistance within the police department, so he needs to be careful not to alienate the entire police department.

    Speaking of the media....they probably hold the most blame for all the lying, exaggerating and fueling the divide between the police and the public these last few months. But the fact is, black men are disproportionally killed by cops and fill the prisons more than whites, so sooner or later the protests and public debate were bound to happen and now is as good a time as any.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    angry yes, but no one, especially those in a leadership role have no right to escalate to incite. The man is a dolt.

    The only one I have heard so far being even remotely responsible is the mayor who is calling for calm, and directing people's hearts to the families of all who have lost loved ones.

    The rest are simply irresponsible exploiting an enfolding tragedy to further their own selfish ends.
    So the head of the police union's words "escalate to incite", but the Mayor's never did. Okay.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Utter putz. how he can turn around and blame the media while not pointing at a similar finger to himself is laughable.

    What's even more laughable however is him complaining about the media focusing on "the few" prosters acting wrongly...while ignoring the irony of the fact he was "teaching" his son about the potential problems he'll face from comments due his own focus on "the few" cops who actually act wrong instead of the majority.
    From the looks of things, De Blasio is already a cracker jack politician. And a sneaky little ****er too.

    I love your second sentence and it's so spot on. It is ironic, and that's exactly what bothered me too. He should be called out on his hypocrisy, but he won't be except by a very few people.
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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Big Lie of Anti-Cop Left Turns Lethal - Heather Mac Donald, City Journal

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    Re: Is it fair to say the mayor where the 2 cops were killed was partly responsible?

    Then where is the class in this?

    "The Columbine Mine massacre, sometimes called the Columbine massacre, occurred in 1927, in the town of Serene, Colorado. A fight broke out between Colorado state police and a group of striking coal miners, during which the unarmed miners were attacked with machine guns. It is unclear whether the machine guns were used by the police or by guards working for the mine. Six strikers were killed, and dozens were injured."

    Times 1001 strikes and decades.

    Danziger bridge too...........and how many are not investigated by 100 people for 10 years...........and get away with it..............
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