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Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against Cuba

Should President Kennedy be condemned for the embargos against Cuba

  • Yes, people should know the Embargos were by Democrat Prez. Kennedy

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • No, this could damage Democrat JFK as heroic and perfect

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, no politician should ever be held to public scrutiny

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, Tea Party Republicans did it

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Total voters
    7
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo
against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.
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Always wrong as part of a premise is the very definition of false-equivalency since it can't be quantified on this forum.
Not to mention no link to a majority of Americans.
Are you behind Rubio or Paul as a Republican voter ?
 
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pbrauer said:
Pretty Dumb, but oh well, its good for a laugh.
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And to think we haven't heard from US Conservative or joko104 about the stellar role the Pope played in these talks to open relations .
 
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Perotista said:
Actually Truman reorganized the OSS from WWII into the CIA. Renamed along with giving the organization more duties would be a better word than created. The OSS already existed which was an FDR creation which became the CIG after WWII which in turn became the CIA.
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Correct and I knew that. The "CIA" was Truman and it did come from FDR's OSS then CIG then CIA.
 
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Crappy poll is crappy.

And no, it was the right choice then.
 
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Van Basten said:
Crappy poll is crappy.

And no, it was the right choice then.
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When did it become wrong?
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
When did it become wrong?
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Not wrong, but pointless.

I suppose that became the case when the cold war ended with the USSR six feet under.
 
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joko104 said:
Correct and I knew that. The "CIA" was Truman and it did come from FDR's OSS then CIG then CIA.
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I was born during Truman, too young to have had any personal recollections of him that I would remember. I was 7 when Eisenhower became President. Him I can remember personally. Especially his second term. It was watching the 1956 Democratic and Republican conventions on TV that I first became interested in politics. JFK was trying to be Stevenson's running mate back in 1956.
 
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joko104 said:
When did it become wrong?
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Probably when the Iron Curtain fell.
 
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No, at the time it was the right decision but that answer I cannot find in your list of answers.
 
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Van Basten said:
Not wrong but pointless.

I suppose that became the case when the cold war ended with the USSR six feet under.
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I think once the USSR broke apart and the Warsaw Pack disbanded, especially after the unification of East and West Germany NATO should have joined the relics of the cold war also.
 
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Perotista said:
I think once the USSR broke apart and the Warsaw Pack disbanded, especially after the unification of East and West Germany NATO should have joined the relics of the cold war also.
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Uh, no.
 
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pbrauer said:
Yes, it did, but not in the 1960's


The Presidency: The Durable Doctrine - TIME

Just let the Republican Congress condemn JFK and see what it gets them. :lamo
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I haven't heard any Republican politician make a disparaging remark about Kennedy's policy on Cuba but I did hear one Democrat say it has "failed" to advance our interests.

In the most significant changes in our policy in more than fifty years, we will end an outdated approach that, for decades, has failed to advance our interests
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...ctively-condemned-embargo-against-cuba-3.html
 
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Van Basten said:
Uh, no.
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It served it purpose. It stopped the old USSR and Warsaw Pack from invading Western Europe. Mission Accomplished.
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

Perotista said:
I was born during Truman, too young to have had any personal recollections of him that I would remember. I was 7 when Eisenhower became President. Him I can remember personally. Especially his second term. It was watching the 1956 Democratic and Republican conventions on TV that I first became interested in politics. JFK was trying to be Stevenson's running mate back in 1956.
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This is all way before me.
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

Perotista said:
It served it purpose. It stopped the old USSR and Warsaw Pack from invading Western Europe. Mission Accomplished.
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But there were other reasons. Cuba fueled revolutions with weapons and support. We fought Cubans over an island they took over - no one remembers.

The Cuban government is a drug cartel. A safe haven for terrorists and murderers to this day.

As recent as last year they were doing missile deals with N. Korea - a whole ship load. Let's throw a pile of money to finance that some more?

The Cuban government never became nice nor anything but anti American in pro-active ways.

Dangers to the USA are obvious. Harms to AMERICANS of Puerto Rico and the USA Virgin Islands obvious. Money laundering via Cuba? A certainty. Easier access to the Cuban drug cartel? Certainly.

Maybe YOU can name ANY significant benefit for the USA or AMERICANS out of this? We don't owe Cuba or Cubans anything.
 
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I heard a Republican named Rand Paul say the same thing as he slapped down Marco Rubio as an isolationist defending unsuccessful embargoes.

With this new messaging war by the GOP on JFK, their war on the Pope for being an intermediary can't be far behind .

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064113010 said:
I haven't heard any Republican politician make a disparaging remark about
Kennedy's policy on Cuba but I did hear one Democrat say it has "failed" to advance our interests.
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And Rubio and Jeb Bush join a long list of GOPs saying the embargo didn't work, but that we shouldn't change our policy.
Rand Paul wins again in the GOP .
 
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If a GOP were President and I were asking your question, I'd be accused by your lean of coddling the Russian Bear.
Not to mention being a commie lover and appeaser, as we've seen since the Obama gambit on Cuba .

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064112872 said:
What about the embargo on Russia? Russia hasn't been hostile to the US, have they?

Isn't that hurting innocent Russians? Their economy is in the tank.

Doesn't President Obama have any, *wink, wink,* flexibility left he spoke about to the Russian president?
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Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
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Really stupid poll.
 
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what a silly bunch of poll choices

what about NO-because its meaningless?
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
This is all way before me.
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I would imagine most people on DP are a whole lot younger than I. But sometimes a person who lived through things can bring a perspective on things that just reading about them in a history book can't. I learned that from my Grandpa talking about WWI and my dad WWII.
 
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Yes Kennedy ought to be condemned for the embargos against Cuba, because they didnt go far enough in stopping the Cuban revolution. And when the USSR fell we should have invaded Cuba and liberated the people. But that didnt happen so blaming Kennedy now is pointless. Now really its up to Cuba to do the right things. But thats highly doubtful.

And it probable that dropping the embargo will come back to bite us in the ass. At first there will be head nodding from latin America but that will soon turn to victory speeches. It will embolden the extreme left in Latin America potentially making things very bad in the future.
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
But there were other reasons. Cuba fueled revolutions with weapons and support. We fought Cubans over an island they took over - no one remembers.

The Cuban government is a drug cartel. A safe haven for terrorists and murderers to this day.

As recent as last year they were doing missile deals with N. Korea - a whole ship load. Let's throw a pile of money to finance that some more?

The Cuban government never became nice nor anything but anti American in pro-active ways.

Dangers to the USA are obvious. Harms to AMERICANS of Puerto Rico and the USA Virgin Islands obvious. Money laundering via Cuba? A certainty. Easier access to the Cuban drug cartel? Certainly.

Maybe YOU can name ANY significant benefit for the USA or AMERICANS out of this? We don't owe Cuba or Cubans anything.
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Roger, Grenada was the island no one remembers. I agree with everything you said. There were numerous valid reasons for the embargo. There was also Castro sending Cuban troops to Africa and Nicaragua and El Savador. Castro was the USSR's lap dog. I also think the embargo because it meant the USSR had to prop up the Cuban Government with millions of Rubles, billions probably help expedite the breakup of the USSR. But today, the cold war is over. It doesn't bother me that we will have diplomatic relations with Cuba. If congress agrees to end the embargo that won't bother me either. If they don't and keep it in place, I'm fine with that also.

I suppose in plain English is that I think the Embargo was proper and served a much need function. Is it needed today, I really don't know.
 
Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
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What was cruel about it ?

Cuba couldn't trade with the US , but could trade with other Nations .

How was this " cruel ??

Cuba's problems aren't related to the embargo. They have to do with the fact that that island Nation is run by Communist thug dictators.
 
Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo agai...

joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
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Unless you have valid statistics to prove your assertions about Americans, they are fabricated lies.

Where are these numbers??
 
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