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Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against Cuba

Should President Kennedy be condemned for the embargos against Cuba

  • Yes, people should know the Embargos were by Democrat Prez. Kennedy

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • No, this could damage Democrat JFK as heroic and perfect

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, no politician should ever be held to public scrutiny

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, Tea Party Republicans did it

    Votes: 4 57.1%
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A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
 
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What's the point? Why bother condemning someone who is dead and wouldn't care?
 
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Cephus said:
What's the point? Why bother condemning someone who is dead and wouldn't care?
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Are you referring to slavery?
 
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It's not about President Kennedy's feelings. It is about people knowing true history including partisan history.

Should it be agreed to never mention Watergate, who the President was or his party affiliation because Nixon is dead? People post about Reagan often. He's dead. All the "founding fathers" are dead. Does history end as each person of it dies?

This is a valid issue. JFK is a past Democratic President oft held out to be one the Democratic Party's best of all times. Yet most Americans and those on the forum think is policy on Cuba was stupid, evil and worse than pointless. As people discuss this, shouldn't it be mentioned who put it in place? NOT ONCE I have seen or read anything saying this was started by President Kennedy or why. Just the assertion it was a failed horrible policy as if t just magically happened some unknown way - even some blaming in the CIA - which is false. It was Democratic President John F. Kennedy, not the CIA.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064112817 said:
Are you referring to slavery?
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All slaveowners are dead. Everyone of the confederacy is dead. Jim Crow and all the politicians who passed it are dead. Nixon is dead. FDR is dead. Truman is dead.

Therefore, they should never be mentioned in the context of history? Rather, just teach things just happened, no idea who or why?
 
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joko104 said:
It's not about President Kennedy's feelings. It is about people knowing true history including partisan history.

Should it be agreed to never mention Watergate, who the President was or his party affiliation because Nixon is dead? People post about Reagan often. He's dead. All the "founding fathers" are dead. Does history end as each person of it dies?

This is a valid issue. JFK is a past Democratic President oft held out to be one the Democratic Party's best of all times. Yet most Americans and those on the forum think is policy on Cuba was stupid, evil and worse than pointless. As people discuss this, shouldn't it be mentioned who put it in place? NOT ONCE I have seen or read anything saying this was started by President Kennedy or why. Just the assertion it was a failed horrible policy as if t just magically happened some unknown way - even some blaming in the CIA - which is false. It was Democratic President John F. Kennedy, not the CIA.
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Today's democrats can't identify with Kennedy anyway. You know, the whole "ask not what your country can do for you" thing. Dems most likely look at Kennedy as a Republican in wolf's clothing.

Kennedy would roll over in his grave if he knew what was happening with the Democrat party in the 21st century.
 
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This topic of Cuba is interesting. Obama declared it was a "failed policy" and it should have not have happened. And most people agree.

No one discusses who imposed the embargo or why. Nor is any reason every given how the embargo hurt the USA or lifting it helps the USA. Just a blind yes, of course, the embargo was wrong and it wonderful now that it is being lifted.

Yes, the embargo against ISIS is wrong and should be lifted. President Obama is wrong to have imposed it. How can people be lifted up with the embargo in place? Why punish those people? How than they know there is a better way? Embargos are wrong.

That's the ONLY logic I've read from ANYONE cheering the lifting of the embargo and why it was always wrong. Not 1 in 50 people have a clue what the embargo against Cuba was about, do they?
 
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joko104 said:
All slaveowners are dead. Everyone of the confederacy is dead. Jim Crow and all the politicians who passed it are dead. Nixon is dead. FDR is dead. Truman is dead.

Therefore, they should never be mentioned in the context of history? Rather, just teach things just happened, no idea who or why?
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Only when it serves their ideology.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064112837 said:
Today's democrats can't identify with Kennedy anyway. You know, the whole "ask not what your country can do for you" speech. Dems most likely look at Kennedy as a Republican is wolf's clothing.

Kennedy would roll over in his grave if he knew what was happening with the Democrat party in the 21st century.
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That's interesting. Any Democrats agree with that? After Kennedy was LBJ and Vietnam. Before Kennedy was Truman nuking Japan and the Korean War - an embargo against China (lifted by Republican Nixon). Before Truman was FDR and WWII. WWI was Wilson. All Democrats. The embargo against Iran was Carter, another Democrat.

Do current Democrats really see all Democrat Presidents prior to Bill Clinton as evil Republicans in wolf's clothing?
 
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joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
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You're kidding, right? Now I agree one should understand the history of it. If one understand what was happening in 1962 and in 1963 when the embargo was implemented, there was good reason.
 
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The CIA was created by Democrat Harry Truman.
 
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Perotista said:
You're kidding, right? Now I agree one should understand the history of it. If one understand what was happening in 1962 and in 1963 when the embargo was implemented, there was good reason.
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If Cuba had a right to Russian made nuclear tipped missiles, certainly ISIS should be able to get RPGs. I mean really. :confused:
 
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joko104 said:
That's interesting. Any Democrats agree with that? After Kennedy was LBJ and Vietnam. Before Kennedy was Truman nuking Japan and the Korean War - an embargo against China (lifted by Republican Nixon). Before Truman was FDR and WWII. WWI was Wilson. All Democrats. The embargo against Iran was Carter, another Democrat.

Do current Democrats really see all Democrat Presidents prior to Bill Clinton as evil Republicans in wolf's clothing?
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You know what is funny about all of that. Nixon although a cold warrior and ardent anti-communist governed as a liberal and was probably the liberalest president since FDR to the present. I think one must understand until Eisenhower the Republican Party was the isolationist party. The Democrats the war hawks. IKE kept us out of war and brought an armistice to Korea.

Vietnam changed the Democratic Party into what was termed the dove party for quite awhile. They ran Humphrey who was anti-Vietnam and then followed him up with McGovern who said the day after he was inaugurated he would bring all the troops home from Vietnam. Carter was no war hawk, neither was Clinton. But Clinton was closer to the old Democrats like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ.
 
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joko104 said:
If Cuba had a right to Russian made nuclear tipped missiles, certainly ISIS should be able to get RPGs. I mean really. :confused:
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Have you ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine?????
 
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What about the embargo on Russia? Russia hasn't been hostile to the US, have they?

Isn't that hurting innocent Russians? Their economy is in the tank.

Doesn't President Obama have any, *wink, wink,* flexibility left he spoke about to the Russian president?
 
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pbrauer said:
Have you ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine?????
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Yes I have. It just became ancient history, didn't it?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064112837 said:
Today's democrats can't identify with Kennedy anyway. You know, the whole "ask not what your country can do for you" thing. Dems most likely look at Kennedy as a Republican in wolf's clothing.

Kennedy would roll over in his grave if he knew what was happening with the Democrat party in the 21st century.
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Certainly not since McGovern ran. Anyway, no Kennedy should not be condemned. He wasn't perfect, but a lot better than who we have now.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064112872 said:
What about the embargo on Russia? Russia hasn't been hostile to the US, have they?

Isn't that hurting innocent Russians? Their economy is in the tank.

Doesn't President Obama have any, *wink, wink,* flexibility left he spoke about to the Russian president?
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There are few Russians trying to get into the USA where they can vote Democrat and Russians in the USA are not a significant voting bloc. Money laundering thru Russia would be risky and difficult, and drug trafficking in and drug money out of Russia wouldn't work well either.
 
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joko104 said:
If Cuba had a right to Russian made nuclear tipped missiles, certainly ISIS should be able to get RPGs. I mean really. :confused:
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Am I missing something here? What does ISIS and RPG's have to do with condemning JFK for the embargo? I was in high school during the Cuban Missile Crisis and those 20 or so days were mighty serious days. It was a gambit Khrushchev thought he could win. We are dog gone lucky we had JFK and the USSR had Khrushchev, a couple of level headed leaders. Khrushchev got what he wanted although that portion of the deal wasn't made public until long after the crisis was over. We also agreed that we would not ever invade Cuba as part of that deal.
 
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joko104 said:
The CIA was created by Democrat Harry Truman.
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Actually Truman reorganized the OSS from WWII into the CIA. Renamed along with giving the organization more duties would be a better word than created. The OSS already existed which was an FDR creation which became the CIG after WWII which in turn became the CIA.
 
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A thread on president John Kennedy turning into a bash Democrats in 2014 thread--who could have guessed?
 
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NIMBY said:
A thread on president John Kennedy turning into a bash Democrats in 2014 thread--who could have guessed?
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Pretty Dumb, but oh well, its good for a laugh.
 
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joko104 said:
A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.
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Do you have a link to anything that supports this statement? Most people are for ending the embargo; however, it was instituted for a reason.
 
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