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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

    Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?


    Sure, why not?

    The US has been wallowing in it's recent history apportioning blame as an extension of the on-going "right-left" war for a few decades now? Why change? The nation has become completely stalemated on most important issues, why not stay that way and make a fight over a half century-old decision by a man which has been upheld by eight presidents?

    I mean, it's not important to find a real solution to anything when you can blame each other for a few more decades
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Sure, why not?

    The US has been wallowing in it's recent history apportioning blame as an extension of the on-going "right-left" war for a few decades now? Why change? The nation has become completely stalemated on most important issues, why not stay that way and make a fight over a half century-old decision by a man which has been upheld by eight presidents?

    I mean, it's not important to find a real solution to anything when you can blame each other for a few more decades
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    Goodness gracious, what has America come to? We're at freakin' war and would rather define American political opponents as the enemy than the people trying to kill us. Back in the 1990s there was an essay written by a US military officer on why Middle Easterners lose wars. Most of it had to do with tribalism and us vs. them attitudes from within their own society. That's almost exactly what America has become today.

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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Triple like!

    Goodness gracious, what has America come to? We're at freakin' war and would rather define American political opponents as the enemy than the people trying to kill us. Back in the 1990s there was an essay written by a US military officer on why Middle Easterners lose wars. Most of it had to do with tribalism and us vs. them attitudes from within their own society. That's almost exactly what America has become today.

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    They call it tribalism, but is it any different that the growing divisions of left and right, the divisions between black, white and Hispanic...is any of that really very much different than Sunni's and Shia? Between Palestinian and Saudi, Kurd and whatever?

    The war America is losing is from within.
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    They call it tribalism, but is it any different that the growing divisions of left and right, the divisions between black, white and Hispanic...is any of that really very much different than Sunni's and Shia? Between Palestinian and Saudi, Kurd and whatever?

    The war America is losing is from within.
    It's staggeringly different.
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A majority of Americans and members of this forum believe the embargo against Cuba was always wrong and was a stupid, cruel and harmful policy.

    Yet no one is identifying who did this terrible thing to Cubans and such great stupid evil by the United States. Should Democratic President John F Kennedy be retroactively publicly condemned for imposing the embargos (there were many embargo laws he put into effect) against Cuba? Should young Americans particularly know WHO did this to Castro and Cubans to understand political history and partisan history accurately?
    Nope. Back then, the embargo was a fair idea. Might have worked.

    Today, we know it didn't. And it hasn't for decades. Time to end it; opening relations and flooding that communist paradise with decadent capitalist filth via the channels of trade and travel is likely going to have a better effect than the sanctions had.


    On the other side... condemning politicians for their wrongdoings? Well, maybe we could start by publicly waterboarding Bush and Cheney then.
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Considering Kennedy would be over 97, I think the only thing he'd be condemning is the food at the old folks' home or the quality of the soil around his grave.
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's not about President Kennedy's feelings. It is about people knowing true history including partisan history.

    Should it be agreed to never mention Watergate, who the President was or his party affiliation because Nixon is dead? People post about Reagan often. He's dead. All the "founding fathers" are dead. Does history end as each person of it dies?

    This is a valid issue. JFK is a past Democratic President oft held out to be one the Democratic Party's best of all times. Yet most Americans and those on the forum think is policy on Cuba was stupid, evil and worse than pointless. As people discuss this, shouldn't it be mentioned who put it in place? NOT ONCE I have seen or read anything saying this was started by President Kennedy or why. Just the assertion it was a failed horrible policy as if t just magically happened some unknown way - even some blaming in the CIA - which is false. It was Democratic President John F. Kennedy, not the CIA.
    LOL Equating a USSR dominated Cuba during the cold war with the situation in this millennium is comical. Castro chose Russia after he was rebuffed by the Americans for help in overthrowing Batista. We had no choice then, we lost Cuba and an embargo was all we could do to save face. Things have been very different for a long, long time though. The world has changed in 50 years in case you haven't noticed. No country has endured a US embargo as long as little Cuba. It's time for it to come home. It's leaders are very old and they will pass the torch to us if we play our cards right.
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    What about the embargo on Russia? Russia hasn't been hostile to the US, have they?

    Isn't that hurting innocent Russians? Their economy is in the tank.

    Doesn't President Obama have any, *wink, wink,* flexibility left he spoke about to the Russian president?
    A US President should try to protect all free nations from belligerent neighbors. Putin knows what he has to do if he wants those sanctions lifted..mind his own business. Putin is hurting his own people by his actions and they should know it.

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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What's the point? Why bother condemning someone who is dead and wouldn't care?
    JFK wouldn't care much what the members of this forum had to say if they were alive either... :p
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    Re: Should President John Kennedy be retroactively condemned for the embargo against

    What President Kennedy should be condemned for is his support of public sector unions.

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