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    Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    With so many cheering President Obama's American guilt-tripping unilaterally lifting the embargo on Cuba, isn't it time to lift the embargo on North Korea, for which the same logic means that we are responsible for the suffering of the people of North Korea like it claimed we are responsible for the suffering of the people of Cuba?

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Interesting question.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Comparing Cuba to North Korea is laughably idiotic, so actually right on par with what I'd expect from you.

    Kim Jong-un has no interest in trading with the west, if he did, I would say we should. Do you think it would be easier or harder to reach out to the North Korean people if they had more access to the international community and western goods? When you wall off a country from the international community the only voice they can hear is that of their tyrant.

    We've embargoed North Korea for 60+ years now. Are we any closer to getting through to the people? Why help build up the wall that keeps North Koreans trapped?
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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Comparing Cuba to North Korea is laughably idiotic, so actually right on par with what I'd expect from you.

    Kim Jong-un has no interest in trading with the west, if he did, I would say we should. Do you think it would be easier or harder to reach out to the North Korean people if they had more access to the international community and western goods? When you wall off a country from the international community the only voice they can hear is that of their tyrant.

    We've embargoed North Korea for 60+ years now. Are we any closer to getting through to the people? Why help build up the wall that keeps North Koreans trapped?
    You are blinded by your hatred of the United States.

    It would NOT be Western goods going into N. Korea. It would be cheap goods made in N. Korean sweatshops of children worked with whips, which would slam the economy of South Korea and the profits used by N. Korea to build weapons and further terrorize their own people and everyone else in the region.

    No surprise wanting as much money flowing to the N. Korean war and torture machinery as possible because this poises danger to the USA and our allies.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You are blinded by your hatred of the United States.

    It would NOT be Western goods going into N. Korea. It would be cheap goods made in N. Korean sweatshops of children worked with whips, which would slam the economy of South Korea and the profits used by N. Korea to build weapons and further terrorize their own people and everyone else in the region.

    No surprise wanting as much money flowing to the N. Korean war and torture machinery as possible because this poises danger to the USA and our allies.
    Ah yes, instead of forming a coherent response you just move straight to insults. I obviously hate America because my opinion differs from yours. Instead of trying to expose the North Korean people to civilization we should help Kim Jong-Un continue to wall off the country. Stay classy and Merry Christmas, Joko.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah yes, instead of forming a coherent response you just move straight to insults. I obviously hate America because my opinion differs from yours. Instead of trying to expose the North Korean people to civilization we should help Kim Jong-Un continue to wall off the country. Stay classy and Merry Christmas, Joko.
    You forgot to also use the bold feature in altering my message.

    Otherwise, you didn't respond whatsoever to my response to your false assertion that it would be Western goods going to NK, rather than cheap slave labor goods coming out of NK, the money of which future's the war machinery and tyranny of the torturous dictatorship. You don't have a coherent response, do you?
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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    With so many cheering President Obama's American guilt-tripping unilaterally lifting the embargo on Cuba, isn't it time to lift the embargo on North Korea, for which the same logic means that we are responsible for the suffering of the people of North Korea like it claimed we are responsible for the suffering of the people of Cuba?
    Provide North Korea with the financial means of increasing their military might and capabilities with money earned from trade? Not only no but hell no.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    With so many cheering President Obama's American guilt-tripping unilaterally lifting the embargo on Cuba, isn't it time to lift the embargo on North Korea, for which the same logic means that we are responsible for the suffering of the people of North Korea like it claimed we are responsible for the suffering of the people of Cuba?
    Too many problems comparing Cuba and North Korea along those lines. In a better world the answer would be yes but that is not a very practical solution to the issues each nation presents to us.

    The embargo / isolation foreign policy we have tried for Cuba for better than 50 years did not promote much change in that nation, but Cuba has found plenty of means to trade and have relations with plenty of nations around the globe including some of our allies. In comparison North Korea has not been near as successful. Cuba is looking for active relations where as North Korea seems more content in their isolation.

    On military or engagement terms Cuba is also not firing medium / long range rockets over other nations in an effort to cause the instability in our region, but that is something North Korea is known for between bouts of firing into South Korea. And on the level Cuba does not consider themselves in some long term break from a war with a neighbor like North Korea believes in their opinion of South Korea. While Cuba and their regime does have plenty they do not get along with, it is not quite the same thing as how North Korea looks at nations that oppose their regime.

    In my opinion lifting the embargo against and looking for relations with Cuba has the potential for an impact that is far less likely with North Korea. I am not saying there is a guarantee of change but there seems to be potential opportunity with Cuba that does not exist with North Korea.
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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Comparing Cuba to North Korea is laughably idiotic, so actually right on par with what I'd expect from you.

    Kim Jong-un has no interest in trading with the west, if he did, I would say we should. Do you think it would be easier or harder to reach out to the North Korean people if they had more access to the international community and western goods? When you wall off a country from the international community the only voice they can hear is that of their tyrant.

    We've embargoed North Korea for 60+ years now. Are we any closer to getting through to the people? Why help build up the wall that keeps North Koreans trapped?
    They will make and export cheap goods and then use the revenue to increase their military might and capabilities. Basically they will do what China did when traitors in office decided to ship jobs to China.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They will make and export cheap goods and then use the revenue to increase their military might and capabilities. Basically they will do what China did when traitors in office decided to ship jobs to China.
    So instead you think that we should help Kim Jong-Un isolate his people from the rest of the world? Their regime has only been able to last as long as it has because it has been able to completely isolate the people from reality and education.

    We continue to do business with some of the most despicable governments in the world, to include China. So what's really the difference? This embargo could last for another 100 years and still not change anything. Embargoes such as this make it North Koreans vs. Americans instead of North Koreans vs. the tyrant. Kim Jong-Un can not be defeated without being able to reach the people in some way. I mean really, what is your end-game here?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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