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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So instead you think that we should help Kim Jong-Un isolate his people from the rest of the world? Their regime has only been able to last as long as it has because it has been able to completely isolate the people from reality and education.

    We continue to do business with some of the most despicable governments in the world, to include China. So what's really the difference? This embargo could last for another 100 years and still not change anything. Embargoes such as this make it North Koreans vs. Americans instead of North Koreans vs. the tyrant. Kim Jong-Un can not be defeated without being able to reach the people in some way. I mean really, what is your end-game here?
    Does it infuriate you THAT much that N. Korea has not been capable of military expansion or invasion?

    How many missiles and weapons do you want Kim Jung-Un to have? Obviously piles of weapons and a new way to use his people for slave labor for his profit.

    Is there any tyrant, dictator and torturer in the world you don't want to rain money on? Your end game is clear. You want to pour money on Kim Jong-Un and give him more ways to profit and make power thru using his people as slave-labor for us and his benefit.

    Only a fool believes that Kim Jong-Un will let his people have the profits.

    The same happened in Cuba. The embargo made it no longer possible for Cuba to finance revolution in Central and South America.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    I understand the goal of some. N. Korea has a massive military, but it considered impotent because all their hardware is outdated old surplus that is decades old.

    There are those what want to pour in money to Kim Jong-Un so he can modernize his military and revive the Communist revolution in S.E. Asia and across the world. They'll call it "fairness" and sell the myth that Kim Jong-Un the Generous Socialist - in their opinion - would give the wealth to his people and the whole world would live in harmony.

    Instead, they know they would be financing his long range missile program and provide his military with modern military equipment to threaten the entire region and spread around the world. Communism and state dictated socialism is still very popular in some liberal circles, as is hatred of the USA.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah yes, instead of forming a coherent response you just move straight to insults. I obviously hate America because my opinion differs from yours. Instead of trying to expose the North Korean people to civilization we should help Kim Jong-Un continue to wall off the country. Stay classy and Merry Christmas, Joko.
    To be fair, your initial reply was pretty insulting as well.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    To be fair, your initial reply was pretty insulting as well.
    Justifiably so, I believe, as this was a call-out thread spun off from a "conversation" we were having a few minutes prior somewhere else.

    You know how it is with Joko, if you ever disagree with him you're a baby killing flag burner.
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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Justifiably so, I believe, as this was a call-out thread spun off from a "conversation" we were having a few minutes prior somewhere else.

    You know how it is with Joko, if you ever disagree with him you're a baby killing flag burner.
    Good point. I do know.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Justifiably so, I believe, as this was a call-out thread spun off from a "conversation" we were having a few minutes prior somewhere else.

    You know how it is with Joko, if you ever disagree with him you're a baby killing flag burner.
    You're message isn't rational or about me. I'm the one called a baby killer being pro-choice.

    Come clean, how many long range nuclear bomb tipped missiles and how much new military hardware to you want Kim Jong-Un to have? How many of his people do you want working in sweatshops for him? Give us a number.
    Last edited by joko104; 12-19-14 at 11:19 AM.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Good point. I do know.
    What matters is he had no response whatsoever to any issue I raised, did he? That is how he deals with responses in his messages to messages he has no response to.

    The socialist left with their golden tongue American-apologist Emperor Obama has gained control of American foreign policy. The effects are significant.

    Their golden era of communism/socialism has all but come to an end. The USSR collapsed. China went capitalistic. ALL that is left if N. Korea and Michael Moore's utopia of Cuba. Both countries on the edge of financial ruin because of their economic system. History shows us that ULTIMATELY it all will collapse, it is only a matter of time before the people rise up.

    For N. Korea, Kim Jong-Un is having to execute military and even family members to prevent his being deposed by his own people. Cubans are tired of it.

    Suddenly, and unilaterally in a total breaking of his campaign promises and declaring the embargo failed (when it was HUGELY successful in starving out Cuba continuing to finance and support revolutions in Central and South America) Obama announced that the Cuban socialist dictatorship is going to be propped up by American capitalistic dollars - which the socialist left will then claim proves socialist dictatorships work.

    We even are reading the American socialist left cheering Putin trying to recreate the USSR.

    With no debate, no discussion, no involvement of Congress, the President totally reversed the entire US foreign policy towards adversarial communist/social dicatorships - a policy that had absolutely worked including the end of the USSR.

    I poised this poll to show just how far this goes for some of the socialist left. Despite it as recent as this week that N. Korea attacked the West, it revealed has put teams in place to destroy USA nuclear power plants, and every month threatens nuclear attack against our allies in the region, such as him want BILLIONS of dollars to flow to Kim Jong-Un, him to put NKs into sweatshop labor, the effect of which he can develop his long range missiles - that he offers for sale around the world, expand his nuclear weapons stockpile and modernize his highly militarized society - also then placating the military that otherwise increasingly wants him deposed because are starving.

    The only response he has? Personal attacks and take the victim role to avoid any response at all.

    One of the LAST of TWO vestiges of communist socialist dictatorships on the verge of collapse was just saved by the American socialist left and their Imperial President. And accepting Obama at face value, most Americans agree. No discussion of do we want easy flow between the USA and a country still harboring terrorists and a cop killer, a drug cartel country and money laundering location just off our shore - that is being financed and propped up by American capitalistic money?

    With NO debate, the core of American foreign policy was just obliterated in relation to communistic socialist dictatorships. I'm not a lock-step sheep and am telling the REAL implications of this - something no one else is doing - and most are just posting feel-good messages.

    As for Cubans? They were just imprisoned under a cruel military dictator and socialism for this and the next generation. America just saved socialistic dictatorships as seemingly viable after all.
    Last edited by joko104; 12-19-14 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You are blinded by your hatred of the United States

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So instead you think that we should help Kim Jong-Un isolate his people from the rest of the world? Their regime has only been able to last as long as it has because it has been able to completely isolate the people from reality and education.
    North Korea will still be able to do that to it's people regardless if we do or do not open trade with them. The people who live high on the hog in North Korea want to continue to live that way.They are not going to give that up.

    We continue to do business with some of the most despicable governments in the world, to include China.
    We should not be doing business with China.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Lift sanctions and embargo on North Korea?

    Noting good will happen as long as Obama is in office in terms of keeping North Korea and her puppet master Communist China contained.

    More sanctions are needed againt China. People have forgotten the old saying, "Let China sleep, when she awakens the world will be sorry."
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