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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Perhaps because when someone says Happy Holidays they are including New Years in with it. That is how everyone took those phrases until the religious right bunch wanted to gin up yet another opportunity to somehow play the victim.
    Or Hanukkah. And happy holidays does not predate merry christmas, or some variation of it. Whos the side trying to remove it from common usage? Hint-its not the folks celebrating it.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    I am an atheist, I just like the tree, the lights and the festive meals. I do not believe in gods so for that reason alone I do not agree with his xmas perspective.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not insulting you. I am describing a literal belief.
    Yeah right.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what? We don't know what day Jesus was born, they didn't keep very good records of which working stiff was born on which stable on which day back then. So someone chose a day that they already celebrated and for lack of a better idea, decided to celebrate it then. I don't get what the big deal is.
    We don't know what day Jesus was born, but we know he definitely wasn't born on December 25. He was likely born in either late spring or early fall.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Um, what do you call it when the dead come back to life? Yeah, zombies.
    Zombies are still dead, only reanimated. That's why all the "ugggghhhh" and "brainzzz" nonsense. Apparently being dead is murder on your cognitive abilities.

    You suffer any death recently you're aware of there, Redress?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Christmas was derived from Saturnalia, a pagan celebration during the Winter Solstice in which gifts were exchanged. When Rome converted to Christianity, Jesus' birthday was moved to December 25 and the celebration became Christmas.
    And yet it wasn't about gifts, the gifts were just a part of the religious celebration. BTW, though Im not religous, my dads side is Eastern Orthodox so we celebrate "American" Christmas in December and the religious version happens in January.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    We don't know what day Jesus was born, but we know he definitely wasn't born on December 25. He was likely born in either late spring or early fall.
    Get back to us when you actually have a relevant point. Thanks.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You have just demonstrated that despite your marxist anti-consumerism you get it-Christmas is generally a good thing and worth celebrating. You are an atheist commie and you get it. Stein gets it. Merry Christmas, btw.
    Where did I ever say "Christmas is bad"?


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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He seems to choose the materialistic aspect of the holidays over the religious significance. Why do you see that as a good thing?

    He said it right there the gentiles had cooler parties and he felt left out, but doesn't really care for the whole "Christ" part.
    I posted the text of his comments in the OP, but here they are again. And I noticed very few lefties have substantively touched on it...

    But I love Christmas for much more basic reasons. Christmas is about something huge. You can be saved if you simply make a contract to believe in God and (some add) if you act right. It has nothing to do with how you were born or into what tribe.

    This is a revolutionary, stupendous freeing of the human spirit. This is why Christmas is such a joyous time for people, whether Jews or Christians, or anyone else, who want to believe that we humans can be forgiven and go on to lead lives of triumph no matter what has happened in our past.

    That, and not shopping at all, not the retail numbers, is why Christmas is such a great time.

    The lights are nice and the tree is nice and the shopping is nice. But a dominant culture that says that love and peace are the highest values -- that's what I want to honor.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And yet it wasn't about gifts, the gifts were just a part of the religious celebration. BTW, though Im not religous, my dads side is Eastern Orthodox so we celebrate "American" Christmas in December and the religious version happens in January.
    Sorry. I'll correct myself. It wasn't just about gifts, it was about paying homage to a pagan god (Zeus' father), about freeing slaves (temporarily), and also about orgies and debauchery.

    I say we should at least bring back the orgies.

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