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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So why isn't the reverse also true? We all know what "Seasons Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" means. Why not just say that?
    Perhaps because when someone says Happy Holidays they are including New Years in with it. That is how everyone took those phrases until the religious right bunch wanted to gin up yet another opportunity to somehow play the victim.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No to what?
    No to your question.
    Didn't you vote for Obama twice?
    Of course, how do you think he won? All the lefties voted for him twice.


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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm glad you agree that what Ben Stein is advocating is about control. He has advocated that we should all abide by the wishes of the dominant culture and live in a world where the anti-PC position of not celebrating Christmas is frowned upon.



    Free speech includes not celebrating Christmas and criticizing it. Being anti-free speech would be to tell people that they should celebrate it because it goes against what the dominant culture believes. More importantly, the politically correct stance is to tell people that they should celebrate Christmas in order to fit in better with the dominant culture.
    ok. Look, Merry Christmas ok?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The gift part is fairly recent. It was a stern religious holiday for most of history. Maybe there was a feast at most. Even in the US it hasn't been about just gifts. Besides, there are worse things than spending time with friends and family and giving and receiving gifts you know.
    Christmas was derived from Saturnalia, a pagan celebration during the Winter Solstice in which gifts were exchanged. When Rome converted to Christianity, Jesus' birthday was moved to December 25 and the celebration became Christmas.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Care to comment on his thoughts on Christmas?
    He seems to choose the materialistic aspect of the holidays over the religious significance. Why do you see that as a good thing?

    He said it right there the gentiles had cooler parties and he felt left out, but doesn't really care for the whole "Christ" part.


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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Um, what do you call it when the dead come back to life? Yeah, zombies.

    And you don't have to beleive in much of anything to enjoy giving gifts to friends and family, enjoy spending a day with all the family, and so on. That more than anything is what modern christmas is.
    Good grief, that is soooooo lame. And libs wonder why Christians get upset. Is it really necessary to insult us in the course of explaining how Christmas is a secular celebration for you?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Good grief, that is soooooo lame. And libs wonder why Christians get upset. Is it really necessary to insult us in the course of explaining how Christmas is a secular celebration for you?
    I am not insulting you. I am describing a literal belief.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Christmas was derived from Saturnalia, a pagan celebration during the Winter Solstice in which gifts were exchanged. When Rome converted to Christianity, Jesus' birthday was moved to December 25 and the celebration became Christmas.
    So what? We don't know what day Jesus was born, they didn't keep very good records of which working stiff was born on which stable on which day back then. So someone chose a day that they already celebrated and for lack of a better idea, decided to celebrate it then. I don't get what the big deal is.


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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Awhhh man showing that his own words go against a major part of this rant is "Marxist". Wahh, wahhh.
    I forget anything that goes against your points in any given thread is "Marxist".


    What that it makes a lot of people feel warm and fuzzy inside?
    Sure. I celebrate it. Im an atheist, but I dont celebrate it for the "birth of Christ". I celebrate it because its an excuse to bring my family together, my extended family together. I celebrate it because I was always raised to celebrate it. Was that the point?
    You have just demonstrated that despite your marxist anti-consumerism you get it-Christmas is generally a good thing and worth celebrating. You are an atheist commie and you get it. Stein gets it. Merry Christmas, btw.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ok. Look, Merry Christmas ok?
    Merry Christmas! Also, I accept your capitulation. This gets easier with every topic you seem to be incapable of addressing on an intellectual level.

    PS: Because I'm feeling in the Christmas spirit, I'll make it easy for you: Is it politically incorrect to embrace a position contrary to those held by the majority?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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