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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Its done in mass, its done to extremes, and about the only time people remotely think of others is when they pass a red kettle. That's on whole and you can see this by then effects on the economy for the Christmas season.

    As for "most of them aren't Christian", that's BS. This is a Christian Nation, the vast majority of people are Christian, there are not enough " non-christians" to make up those huge crowds storming doors and trampling their fellow man.
    I've never witnessed anyone get trampled while shopping, and neither have you.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I've never witnessed anyone get trampled while shopping, and neither have you.
    That's cause I use Amazon. But there are plenty of videos.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But there are plenty of videos.
    So much for faith in statistics.....
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I see people helping others all the time during Black Friday events. A large group of people between them and a product? Ask the customers to pass down the item or politely ask if they can give some room to allow them to get it. Even during the "rush" moments, I see plenty of laughing and smiles.
    Exactly. These "trampling" incidents are extremely rare, and certainly not the norm. I don't recall even hearing about any this year.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So much for faith in statistics.....
    Statistics requires no faith.

    Now maybe we can address the type of questions asked so that you can learn what constitutes a direct answer. I was responding to a comment that said I have never seen anyone trampled. Now that's not a fundamental question of statistics, but k e of absolute measurement. Do you know the difference? And to his point, he is right, I haven't seen anyone trampled. Not because people don't get trampled in these events, but rather because I don't go to them. However, I don't need to observe it first hand since there are measurements (video).

    Hence to counter the claim that I myself have never witnessed it, all I have to do is point to one instance of it happening. And there are plenty of videos.

    This has been your free lesson in aggregate vs. absolute. You're welcome.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Statistics requires no faith.

    Now maybe we can address the type of questions asked so that you can learn what constitutes a direct answer. I was responding to a comment that said I have never seen anyone trampled. Now that's not a fundamental question of statistics, but k e of absolute measurement. Do you know the difference? And to his point, he is right, I haven't seen anyone trampled. Not because people don't get trampled in these events, but rather because I don't go to them. However, I don't need to observe it first hand since there are measurements (video).

    Hence to counter the claim that I myself have never witnessed it, all I have to do is point to one instance of it happening. And there are plenty of videos.

    This has been your free lesson in aggregate vs. absolute. You're welcome.
    I was referring to your characterization of the season as being practically barbaric (despite the relative rarity of such occurrences), because you have seen videos from the comfort of your couch.

    Thanks for the lesson professor, but I hardly needed them to know you were being a blowhard. Perhaps it is indeed a "Jersey thing."
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    And the irony is that people complaining out it are essentially making a political correctness argument. The only think that is PC for them is Merry Christmas. I always say Merry Christmas myself, but i don't even give a second thought to it if someone tells me Happy Holidays or whatever instead.

    Have a Merry Christmas.
    po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
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    the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.


    I see what you're saying but I don't think that it will stand up. People offended by Happy Holiday are offended not because you (the general you, not youyou) are trying to exclude, marginalize, or insult them, they're not the disadvantaged or discriminated against, well, not yet completely, secularism hasn't completed its take over, but because you are trying to include other holy days in with what is, has been, and will be for the foreseeable future, a holiday exclusive.

    Political correctness is a manifestation of slave morality. You are(again, not you you) not excluding Merry Christmas, you are attempting to take away its preeminence. You're tearing it down and lumping it in with all the other holidays which either are artificially manufactured or are purposefully being brought back into the public consciousness from social extinction.

    To say it as you have, is to think that people who are emphasizing Merry Christmas are protesting exclusion where as this isn't the case. They are reaffirming its dominance and not accepting the slave morality of bringing it down to just another of many equally valid traditions.

    Nietzsche is rolling over with irony.

    You have a Happy Holiday.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I've never witnessed anyone get trampled while shopping, and neither have you.

    Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede

    A Wal-Mart worker died early Friday after an "out-of-control" mob of frenzied shoppers smashed through the Long Island store's front doors and trampled him, police said.

    The Black Friday stampede plunged the Valley Stream outlet into chaos, knocking several employees to the ground and sending others scurrying atop vending machines to avoid the horde.

    When the madness ended, 34-year-old Jdimytai Damour was dead and four shoppers, including a woman eight months pregnant, were injured.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Like I said, isolated incident. When did this occur? Do you also believe incidents like this cause everyone to lose all meaning of Christmas?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Like I said, isolated incident. When did this occur? Do you also believe incidents like this cause everyone to lose all meaning of Christmas?
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