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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, not a spokesman. Just a man who watches the news and understands statistics.
    So just because some people shop for Christmas, means the birth of our Lord And Savior loses all meaning for everyone? Is that what you are trying to say?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You mean go down your street and count decorations. That's not gonna work.

    Try this:

    73 Percent Of Americans Believe Jesus Was Born To A Virgin
    Which proves nothing about Christmas celebrations. And no, I mean go down most streets. Pick a variety of areas of the country and do it. You know I'm right.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Go look for yourself. Go to any big store, count the percentage of religious decorations compared to secular decorations. Drive down any street. Count how many houses have lights and wreaths compared to how many have only nativity scenes.
    That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. And considering I've been around political forums for quite a while, that's really saying something.

    How do you have secular Christmas decorations? You really didn't think that through, did you?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So just because some people shop for Christmas, means the birth of our Lord And Savior loses all meaning for everyone? Is that what you are trying to say?
    When people shop in the manner that we do at Christmas, driven by greed and consumerism, at the cost of our civil and kindly interaction with our fellow man, i think that goes counter to the religious reasons for Christmas. Can't tranmple people in a rush for deals and claim you're keeping the Christ in Christmas. Pretty sure Jesus wouldn't want you to treat your neighbor with neglectful apathy as such.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which proves nothing about Christmas celebrations. And no, I mean go down most streets. Pick a variety of areas of the country and do it. You know I'm right.
    It means nothing. Most people put up stuff for kids anyway.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    I'm confused why Ben Stein chose to use the word "saved" and then says: "This is why Christmas is such a joyous time for people, whether Jews...".

    That doesn't make sense to me. Since when do Jewish people believe in being saved? Isn't that purely Christian?

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    And I voted no because, while Christmas has religious ideals behind it, I find Christmas to be about love, generosity, and selflessness.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When people shop in the manner that we do at Christmas, driven by greed and consumerism, at the cost of our civil and kindly interaction with our fellow man, i think that goes counter to the religious reasons for Christmas. Can't tranmple people in a rush for deals and claim you're keeping the Christ in Christmas. Pretty sure Jesus wouldn't want you to treat your neighbor with neglectful apathy as such.
    I just witnessed a woman, all decked out for a party, cut off a man with a cane in the super market, and when called on it [he almost fell] she failed to apologize, merely explained "I'm only rushing because I'm in a hurry!" and chuckled.

    She did wish the man "Merry Christmas" however.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When people shop in the manner that we do at Christmas, driven by greed and consumerism, at the cost of our civil and kindly interaction with our fellow man, i think that goes counter to the religious reasons for Christmas. Can't tranmple people in a rush for deals and claim you're keeping the Christ in Christmas. Pretty sure Jesus wouldn't want you to treat your neighbor with neglectful apathy as such.
    A simple yes or no would've sufficed. Not everyone does that, and in fact I bet the majority of people who do aren't Christians. Black Friday incidents like you describe are isolated. The majority of shopping done during the Christmas season is done peacefully. You are officially making **** up. Color me unsurprised.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    A simple yes or no would've sufficed. Not everyone does that, and in fact I bet the majority of people who do aren't Christians. Black Friday incidents like you describe are isolated. The majority of shopping done during the Christmas season is done peacefully. You are officially making **** up. Color me unsurprised.
    Its done in mass, its done to extremes, and about the only time people remotely think of others is when they pass a red kettle. That's on whole and you can see this by then effects on the economy for the Christmas season.

    As for "most of them aren't Christian", that's BS. This is a Christian Nation, the vast majority of people are Christian, there are not enough " non-christians" to make up those huge crowds storming doors and trampling their fellow man.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    A simple yes or no would've sufficed. Not everyone does that, and in fact I bet the majority of people who do aren't Christians. Black Friday incidents like you describe are isolated. The majority of shopping done during the Christmas season is done peacefully. You are officially making **** up. Color me unsurprised.
    I see people helping others all the time during Black Friday events. A large group of people between them and a product? Ask the customers to pass down the item or politely ask if they can give some room to allow them to get it. Even during the "rush" moments, I see plenty of laughing and smiles.
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