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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You sure? There's not many atheists out there and tons of crowds for Black Friday and other events. You want to stick with your story that they're all secularists?
    Oh there are many who say they are "christian" yet they never attend church or show any form of worship. Secular doesn't necessarily mean atheist but non religious.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Oh there are many who say they are "christian" yet they never attend church or show any form of worship. Secular doesn't necessarily mean atheist but non religious.
    Ahhh, OK. So the Black Friday mass of humanity is atheists and people who don't got to church. Still not sure I buy it.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its interesting to hear your ideas of what Christianity is.
    Stupid?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post


    Christmas is the constant target of political correctness in the USA as well as a major driver of the economy, but its also more than that for the majority of Americans, do you agree with Ben Steins perspective?
    As usual, I have to agree with Ben.

    It is NOT about even colored lights, presents, there is no Biblical support for exchanging gifts. It is an ancient pagan tradition, the same for decorations and trees, which are an extension of the custom of bringing evergreen boughs indoors for "winter freshness".

    The biggest insult to me is that Christmas is a celebration of the birth of the Son of God, in whom I fully trust and believe....and most of "the season" is designed for the pagans and atheists who worship lucre, Black Friday's, over-indulgence and gluttony while in a semi conscious state watching football.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what? We don't know what day Jesus was born, they didn't keep very good records of which working stiff was born on which stable on which day back then. So someone chose a day that they already celebrated and for lack of a better idea, decided to celebrate it then. I don't get what the big deal is.
    The only reason they did it was to make it easier to appeal to Roman pagans of the day. The Catholic Church was very good at simply incorporating the rituals and celebrations of other religions into their own so they would have a better chance of converting them.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only reason they did it was to make it easier to appeal to Roman pagans of the day. The Catholic Church was very good at simply incorporating the rituals and celebrations of other religions into their own so they would have a better chance of converting them.
    Because it's horrible if society redefines marriage but totally cool for christians to redefine what christianity is
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Nowhere-you just said you celebrate Christmas like activities on Christmas.
    Virtually everyone does, Christmas is an almost entirely secular holiday. Most people celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday. Haven't you figured that out yet?
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because it's horrible if society redefines marriage but totally cool for christians to redefine what christianity is
    I'm not saying it was good or bad, right or wrong, just that it happened. That's the history behind most of our supposed "Christian" holidays. They were stolen from some other religion.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    He's about as full of **** as the majority of americans.

    Maybe more

    Probably more


    Now that's an excellent example of "progressives" presenting intelligent insight on a topic, real thought provoking stuff!

    When you have had a successful career as a lecturer, author, interviewer, filmmaker, and philosopher you can offer an "informed" opinion that people will listen to. But this proves the intellectual vacuum from which the Obama groveling lemmings stem is deep, vast and as empty as the collective heads of the gathered entities.

    "probably more..."

    Great stuff!
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I find it more revealing that some wish to decry people who buy Christmas lights and decorations.
    There's an ever-so subtle attack on Christmas/Christians happening here. 8)
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