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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The date celebrated is based on the winter solstice.
    I asked about the historical event. This actually happened.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So Kerstfeest means Christ celebration, no? Even if you aren't Christian aren't you celebrating the birth of Christ?
    To the Dutch, as a highly secularized society, for a lot of people there is no religious meaning for kerst. And as a 4th generation atheist, we do not celebrate the birth of Christ as we do not believe there ever was a son of god/Christ and you cannot celebrate what you do not believe in.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I celebrate the passing of yet another year with loved ones. Of our ups and downs and we celebrate being together for a nice dinner (this year we are eating "ragout of chicken" and "Konijn op zijn Limburgs" (rabbit Limburg style) with pommes duchesse and poached gieser wildeman pears.

    The feeling of kerst is enhanced by a nice kerstboom (kerst-tree), this year and nice red (last year blue/pastel green)

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    The star on top is not religious, it was a toss up, between the usual "piek"

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    and this star but as the star was bought new together with other red things (birdcage, cupcakes, etc, pumps, ice-skates) we chose to put the red star on, next year we will most likely have a golden, silver, blue, or one of the other 2 or 3 colors we have kerstballen for (decorations) for. I used to work for a store selling christmas decorations. I had the luck that the manufacturer would only accept unused boxes back from the store so they sold it to us employees for 3 dollars or so for an entire big bag full of decorations.

    Add to that cooking together and baking together adds to the festive and relaxed feeling of our version of kerst.
    Sounds good but kerst=Christ. Theres a reason for the celebration, and its the birth of Christ, no?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I asked about the historical event. This actually happened.
    Well, a historical event is something that can be verified from facts. This is only proven by a religious book. And it also does not prove that a baby with the name of Jesus was the son of God. That is faith and faith alone.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    To the Dutch, as a highly secularized society, for a lot of people there is no religious meaning for kerst. And as a 4th generation atheist, we do not celebrate the birth of Christ as we do not believe there ever was a son of god/Christ and you cannot celebrate what you do not believe in.
    I understand, but does this mean you think that Christmas can in fact be an atheist holiday?

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Well, a historical event is something that can be verified from facts. This is only proven by a religious book. And it also does not prove that a baby with the name of Jesus was the son of God. That is faith and faith alone.
    Well we know from Roman historical records that a person named Jesus Christ existed, so presumably he was also born.

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Ben Stein is full of himself.
    Full of something at least. I guess the Jewish day of atonement just isn't good enough. Not enough pretty lights.
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sounds good but kerst=Christ. Theres a reason for the celebration, and its the birth of Christ, no?
    Kerst is not Christ. It might be at the same date that religious folks celebrate the birth of their savior but for the rest of us, the not religious/secular part of the Dutch people. Almost half of the Dutch public (46% in 2012) states that they have no religious beliefs. Only 18% says they are Protestant, 27% are catholic, 4% are Muslims, about 6% have different beliefs and as said 46% has no religious beliefs making us the biggest group with regards to religious/non-religious beliefs.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

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    So you are not gonna answer the questions?
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    Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

    Saw this on another thread. Feel like I should just post this here to get a certain someones panties in a bunch because of those "dirty evil Marxists out there!"


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