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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
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    The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.
    This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.
    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaus

    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

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    It doesn't read like torture is a recent CIA policy, but an enduring policy.

    There doesn't seem to be much control over CIA activities.

    Do we need the CIA?

    Is the CIA involved in Economic Sabotage by manipulating markets?

    Does the CIA work for the people or CORPORATE America?

    Is it OK for the CIA to lie to Congress?

    Is it OK for the CIA to infiltrate our "FREE PRESS?"(sarcasm, you get what you pay for)

    Should the CIA be abolished? The Poll Question.
    I yes the CIA should be abolished.But as long as the government is allowed to keep anything they want secret these things conducted by the CIA will continue,they will be just continued by some other alphabet agency. As far as I am concerned the only thing the government should be allowed to keep secret is troop movement during a time of war.

    Any congressman who says the CIA lied to them is a lying sack of **** who is trying to kiss up to the voters by playing innocent.If the congressman is some noob I could probably see that congressman being lied to.

    As for the School of Americas being a school of dictators. That is nonsense spread by morons trying to demonize a whole based on a few bad apples.What those morons are doing amounts to demonizing the whole military because of Lee Harvey Oswald,Timothy McViegh or some other scumbag who served in the military.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Reformed to suit it's necessary mission - foreign intel gathering. They should never be the action arm, gather intel and analyze ONLY. The military is our action arm, not the friggin CIA.
    The only problem with that is there just certain things the military is allowed to do. The rules to what the US military can and cannot die are spelled out pretty in depth.

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I yes the CIA should be abolished.But as long as the government is allowed to keep anything they want secret these things conducted by the CIA will continue,they will be just continued by some other alphabet agency. As far as I am concerned the only thing the government should be allowed to keep secret is troop movement during a time of war.

    Any congressman who says the CIA lied to them is a lying sack of **** who is trying to kiss up to the voters by playing innocent.If the congressman is some noob I could probably see that congressman being lied to.

    As for the School of Americas being a school of dictators. That is nonsense spread by morons trying to demonize a whole based on a few bad apples.What those morons are doing amounts to demonizing the whole military because of Lee Harvey Oswald,Timothy McViegh or some other scumbag who served in the military.
    Other than I think there are quite a few more things the U.S. government needs to keep secret I agree with the rest of this post completely.
    The CIA is not some rouge agency that is operating as they see fit.
    Are people here honestly naive enough to think that the vast majority of politicians don't pretend that they had no idea what the CIA was doing rather than take some negative press. The CIA does much more positive for this country than negative.

    The rest is just a bunch of conspiracy nut nonsense that belongs in the CT section.

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Other than I think there are quite a few more things the U.S. government needs to keep secret I agree with the rest of this post completely.
    The CIA is not some rouge agency that is operating as they see fit.
    Are people here honestly naive enough to think that the vast majority of politicians don't pretend that they had no idea what the CIA was doing rather than take some negative press. The CIA does much more positive for this country than negative.

    The rest is just a bunch of conspiracy nut nonsense that belongs in the CT section.
    Yes they are.Its how clowns like these keep getting elected even though it is obvious to anyone they don't support what they say they support.

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Other than I think there are quite a few more things the U.S. government needs to keep secret I agree with the rest of this post completely.
    The CIA is not some rouge agency that is operating as they see fit.
    Are people here honestly naive enough to think that the vast majority of politicians don't pretend that they had no idea what the CIA was doing rather than take some negative press. The CIA does much more positive for this country than negative.

    The rest is just a bunch of conspiracy nut nonsense that belongs in the CT section.
    You will note that the Timeline of CIA atrocities left out CIA drug dealing, CIA arms trading
    to embargoed Nations, CIA manipulation of banks to conceal drug and arms cash, and ergo
    it is a censored and unduly mild report of CIA transgressions. I don't want to leave the
    impression that it is even a partially complete report, just some lowlights. I would expect
    the PPT and Exchange Stabilization Funds of the US Treasury are also controlled by CIA
    financial terrorism assets.

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Just reformed. They're very good at their job, they just need to clean up the way they do it.
    Agreed.

    The thought of no intel or espionage capability with global reach I think would put the nation at a distinct disadvantage, much to our detriment.

    Why is it that all the other nations have intel / espionage organization? Perhaps that it's actually needed?
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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Support for Coup in 1970. Under “Track II” of the strategy, CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before, as Constitutionally required because he did not win an absolute majority, the Chilean Congress reaffirmed his victory. CIA was working with three different groups of plotters. All three groups made it clear that any coup would require the kidnapping of Army Commander Rene Schneider, who felt deeply that the Constitution required that the Army allow Allende to assume power. CIA agreed with that assessment. Although CIA provided weapons to one of the groups, we have found no information that the plotters’ or CIA’s intention was for the general to be killed. Contact with one group of plotters was dropped early on because of its extremist tendencies. CIA provided tear gas, submachine-guns and ammunition to the second group. The third group attempted to kidnap Schneider, mortally wounding him in the attack. CIA had previously encouraged this group to launch a coup but withdrew support four days before the attack because, in CIA’s assessment, the group could not carry it out successfully.

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Agreed.

    The thought of no intel or espionage capability with global reach I think would put the nation at a distinct disadvantage, much to our detriment.

    Why is it that all the other nations have intel / espionage organization? Perhaps that it's actually needed?
    I would say it is needed very much. We really play it cool compared to other intel agencies around the world. But to learn dirty secrets one must dig in the dirt.
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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You will note that the Timeline of CIA atrocities left out CIA drug dealing, CIA arms trading
    to embargoed Nations, CIA manipulation of banks to conceal drug and arms cash, and ergo
    it is a censored and unduly mild report of CIA transgressions. I don't want to leave the
    impression that it is even a partially complete report, just some lowlights. I would expect
    the PPT and Exchange Stabilization Funds of the US Treasury are also controlled by CIA
    financial terrorism assets.
    Yes like I said conspiracy theory BS.

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    Re: A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Yes like I said conspiracy theory BS.
    That's sort of like a hamburger without a bun. Can you provide any credible
    links for that. Also, identify specifically which factual details can be
    construed to be conspiracy theory BS. Use a little Braindrain and release
    some of those awesome facts, or not.

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