View Poll Results: What is your opinion of the Cuban embargo?

Voters
106. You may not vote on this poll
  • It was right then and it should not be lifted

    2 1.89%
  • It was wrong then and it is right to be lifted

    18 16.98%
  • It was right then and it right to be lifted

    82 77.36%
  • It was wrong then but it should not be lifted

    0 0%
  • Other, please explain .............

    1 0.94%
  • I hate those rotten commies, bomb them out of Cuba now!!

    0 0%
  • I am a peaceful person, let's all go over to Cuba to hug commies

    1 0.94%
  • I do not care one way or another / I have no opinion

    2 1.89%
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 41 to 48 of 48

Thread: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

  1. #41
    On Vacation
    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 04:30 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    31,569
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    It is amazing how people just parrot a line "the embargo was a failed policy" - have NO clue the history of it.

    If anyone can give a GOOD reason why Cuba should have had nuclear weapons the last 5 decades, tell what it is since Cuba not having nuclear tipped missiles is part of the "failed policy."

  2. #42
    On Vacation
    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 04:30 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    31,569
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think during the cold war, with Cuba sending their troops to Africa to fight along side of other communist forces in several countries trying to over throw legitimate governments and to Nicaragua to back up the Sandinistas as a surrogate of the USSR, the embargo made sense and was warranted. The fact the USSR had to send millions of Rubles to Cuba to shore up their economy probably helped in the long run to cause the USSR to dissolve.

    It was indeed warranted during that time frame. So I sort of look at the embargo as a relic of the cold war. Others look at it different. If it is done away with, fine. If not, no biggie. It has become a way of life and both countries have adjusted to it long ago. Would lifting it help the Cuban people or the regime, the way they operate the regime will be take care first with perhaps some scraps getting down to the people.

    I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try something different.

    When it comes to socialistic military dictatorships the left absolutely believes in trickle down economics because of the inherent goodness in the hearts of military tyrants. That literally is what they are claiming about Cuba now, isn't it?

    As for your history of Cuba and revolutions? They don't know anything about that and don't care. Obama and the media have spoken. It always was "a failed policy" - having no clue what that policy was or why. Just the growing popular view that the USA historically is the most evil country in the world.

  3. #43
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,962
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When it comes to socialistic military dictatorships the left absolutely believes in trickle down economics because of the inherent goodness in the hearts of military tyrants. That literally is what they are claiming about Cuba now, isn't it?

    As for your history of Cuba and revolutions? They don't know anything about that and don't care. Obama and the media have spoken. It always was "a failed policy" - having no clue what that policy was or why. Just the growing popular view that the USA historically is the most evil country in the world.
    Most Americans I do not think know history or what the root causes that made us do some of the things we did. Most Americans see a revision of history that was written by college professors with a huge liberal slant. Being as old as I am I lived through the cold war and being military participated in it both on active duty and as a Department of the Army Civilian. Cuba and Castro was a lap dog of the USSR to be used as the USSR saw fit.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  4. #44
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,635

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The embargo was VERY successful. It prevented Cuba being able to continue to finance and export revolution and socialism throughout Central and South America. It prevented Cuba from have the funds to being a major financer of weapons for such revolutions and terrorism. As for the "Mafia," Castro became the head of his own Mafia - with the military to back it up. The Cuban government is a drug cartel and open safe haven for terrorists and cop-killers. You are correct in that the Bay of Pigs was a disaster. The disaster was the betrayal of President Kennedy who, after promised they would have air support, left those we supported to take back Cuba to be slaughtered and captured. We now have a President who has made it clear he's not anti-commie. In fact, he is their savior.
    Cuba has had a very active 'export' business across the world, lest some forget the far flung places where Cuban 'volunteers' served. Revolution is a cheap business that got Soviet weapon/monetary support. It cost the 'free world' a great deal of men and money to fight the Cuban advisors.

    Spin the Mafia connection but prior to the Revolution the American based Mafia enjoyed tremendous power and wealth in Cuba. Funny you should claim Cuba is the safe haven for all the world's bad guys but many of our 'dear friends and allies' south of the Rio are as well, very good blinders you have there...

    Bay of Pigs... you regurgitate the same old CON lines but fact is the Invasion was a very poorly planned and executed mission... they invaded a swamp!!!! There was air support as B26 bombers operated against Cuban airfields and convoys. (the CIA missed the fact that many jets they thought were unarmed trainers were in fact armed)

    But too few too poorly trained and led, in a piss poor invasion beach to have any sort of 60's air support past massive carpet bombing 'work'. The Invasion was based on the false siren song of the people eager to be 'free' (sound familiar President BushII with ex-pats claiming we would be greeted with flowers and candy???)

    It wasn't based on a force of arms defeating The Cuban military in a pitched battle.

    The day when a President has to be 'anti-commie' are thankfully behind us. Might want to build a bridge and get over it...

  5. #45
    On Vacation
    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 04:30 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    31,569
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Cuba has had a very active 'export' business across the world, lest some forget the far flung places where Cuban 'volunteers' served. Revolution is a cheap business that got Soviet weapon/monetary support. It cost the 'free world' a great deal of men and money to fight the Cuban advisors.

    Spin the Mafia connection but prior to the Revolution the American based Mafia enjoyed tremendous power and wealth in Cuba. Funny you should claim Cuba is the safe haven for all the world's bad guys but many of our 'dear friends and allies' south of the Rio are as well, very good blinders you have there...

    Bay of Pigs... you regurgitate the same old CON lines but fact is the Invasion was a very poorly planned and executed mission... they invaded a swamp!!!! There was air support as B26 bombers operated against Cuban airfields and convoys. (the CIA missed the fact that many jets they thought were unarmed trainers were in fact armed)

    But too few too poorly trained and led, in a piss poor invasion beach to have any sort of 60's air support past massive carpet bombing 'work'. The Invasion was based on the false siren song of the people eager to be 'free' (sound familiar President BushII with ex-pats claiming we would be greeted with flowers and candy???)

    It wasn't based on a force of arms defeating The Cuban military in a pitched battle.

    The day when a President has to be 'anti-commie' are thankfully behind us. Might want to build a bridge and get over it...
    You are correct that the President isn't anti-communist anymore. He is their savior.

    The Mafia angle is irrelevant as the Castro regime is a criminal organization.

    I'm not sure you logic that there are other havens for terrorists and criminals in the world. I guess you like them all.

    Of the Bay of Pigs, I'll withdraw my statement as I'm not all the familiar with it and don't want to dig into it for research.

    The Batista government being evil and Mafia powerful in Cuba doesn't change anything. The Castro regime is a criminal operation and drug cartel, it's on Mafia. If there is a benefit to opening the door to Cuba's government run crime ring I'd be interested to read the logic of it being in our benefit of building a bridge for them into the USA.
    Last edited by joko104; 12-19-14 at 01:53 PM.

  6. #46
    Sage
    Peter King's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Netherlands
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,029

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are still some Americans who don't like Cuba being the safe haven and asylum of terrorists, kidnappers and American-cop killers.

    The policy was hugely beneficial to the USA and all of the Americas. But, since you disagree, post your list of the countries you wished Cuban forces to invade and the list of countries you wanted Cuban filtered weapons to arm their socialists revolutions?
    Hugely beneficial? It has entrenched the Cuban government possibly for year and years and years after the fall of the wall/end of the cold war.

    That Cuba has grown into the enemy of the US is not just the fault of the Cubans. Well, maybe Cuba would have been willing to extradite criminals to the US if there had been a normal relationship between the 2 countries.

    And maybe in the communist cold war times Cuba helped marxist forces in other countries but the cold war is over and done with. The same goes for the military power of Cuba.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

  7. #47
    Left the building
    Fearandloathing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada Dual citizen
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,492

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The Cuban Embargo was a nasty and mean spirited policy from Day One. It was designed to
    hurt the people of Cuba. It seems to be something the USA likes to do, while squealing
    Human Rights tripe. Torture, Iraq, Guantanamo, Libya, Ukraine, etc. are projections of
    bad USA policy and it is definitely not a manifestation of the thoughts of average USA
    individuals and families. We should be a lot better than that. Let the people speak.
    It was brought in as a response to the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. It was not known then what level the US played in the attack, and the Kennedy administration and they wanted to appear strong.

    and you are correct, tripe about human rights is just that. On the south side of the island are hundreds of people being held without trial, without due process, without a lawyer and without ANY protection under the constitution.

    You may not agree nor like the Cuban system, but they do have due process, trials and so forth.

    You should be a lot better....Vietnam is a half a world away, Cuba is your neighbor
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

  8. #48
    Advisor plutonium's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 04:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    546

    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    I will put it to you this way the usa has worked with and been in bed with a lot of dictators worse than castro.. fidel castro asked the usa first to help him rebuild cuba we said no. So where did he go for help????? russia now whos fault is that??? same for ho chi mien and the veitnam war..
    I find the lack of logic in humans most disturbing...

Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •