View Poll Results: What is your opinion of the Cuban embargo?

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  • It was right then and it should not be lifted

    2 1.89%
  • It was wrong then and it is right to be lifted

    18 16.98%
  • It was right then and it right to be lifted

    82 77.36%
  • It was wrong then but it should not be lifted

    0 0%
  • Other, please explain .............

    1 0.94%
  • I hate those rotten commies, bomb them out of Cuba now!!

    0 0%
  • I am a peaceful person, let's all go over to Cuba to hug commies

    1 0.94%
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Thread: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Are you familiar with how Cuba treats its criminals?

    How can you say 15 years wasn't right?

    It may have been a short sentence for a Cuban.

    Another point is that you only know what the media is telling you.

    I am sure there was more to the story than any of us know.
    Yes, I know how horrible Cuba is.

    Still does not change the fact that I think 15 years was way too harsh for his "crime".
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Thank goodness mr. Gross is back from Cuba after 5 horrible years.

    You can think what you want of that, bringing illegal materials to a country that has rules clearly not allowing that is not smart. Jailing him instead of just deporting him was also a wrong decision from the Cuban authorities but that is now all solved because he is free.

    It looks like president Obama is going to strive for better relations with Cuba because it does not look like the police of the past 54 years has worked. The US trades with just about any other country in the world and by any reasonable standard the embargo policy has failed.

    What do you think? Was the embargo wrong or was it not the wrong decisions? Or was it right then and is it wrong to now continue it?
    I say it was right.As for whether or not it should be lifted now I do not know. I do know that when a country is able to increase it's tax revenue it increases the size and capabilities of it's military which can be a threat to us.For years republicans talked about how communist are evil, communist suck balls and other **** about communist.Democrats for years talked about how they care about the American worker. But then one republicans and democrats who had their mouths on the dicks of business owners decided it was a "awesome" idea to **** the American worker in the ass with no lube and lifted up restrictions in order to allow for companies to outsource to China. China since then has increased the size and capabilities of it's military. I am sure Cuba will do the same thing. Whether or not they become a threat to us I do not know. If it looks like they will be a threat the embargo shouldn't be lifted.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say it was right.As for whether or not it should be lifted now I do not know. I do know that when a country is able to increase it's tax revenue it increases the size and capabilities of it's military which can be a threat to us.For years republicans talked about how communist are evil, communist suck balls and other **** about communist.Democrats for years talked about how they care about the American worker. But then one republicans and democrats who had their mouths on the dicks of business owners decided it was a "awesome" idea to **** the American worker in the ass with no lube and lifted up restrictions in order to allow for companies to outsource to China. China since then has increased the size and capabilities of it's military. I am sure Cuba will do the same thing. Whether or not they become a threat to us I do not know. If it looks like they will be a threat the embargo shouldn't be lifted.
    I doubt anybody but the Chinese would sell weapons to the Cubans. And the Cubans must know that if they built up an actual military they would again be subject to the threat of an embargo. It is still a useful weapon to have against the Cuban government, but for now, we have no signs to say that the Cubans would use the increased revenue to become a threat to their biggest money provider in the region (after the embargo has been lifted). The Cuban government may be corrupt, evil and immoral, they are not stupid. If they do something to endanger that trade with the US they would be incredibly stupid. They are not stupid like Venezuela (they can do it because they have oil). Cuba has no natural resources or they would not be so terribly poor and underdeveloped.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Cuban continues to be a safe haven asylum for terrorists and criminals. The President didn't bother to ask for the return of the American cop killer as a condition and Cuba is a free doorway to the USA for NK. Cuban is the safe haven for Columbian terror and drug cartels, including responsible for 700 kidnappings including Americans. Cuban also is a money laundering country.

    In all the GUILT-TRIPPING of the American left who claim the USA is responsible for the suffering of Cubans, NO benefit of lifting the embargo has even been hinted at OTHER than accusations against the United States in this of King Obama's next open-borders edicts.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Screw Cuban-Americans in the cigar industry. Let's bankrupt those small business owners and send those jobs to Cuba too.

    Cuba will make a great new cheap labor country to export American jobs to in Obama's Americans-last policies. Besides, Haiti, Jamaica and the other Caribbean countries are so wrongly wealthy they need the competition from a sweatshop dictatorship's cheap labor.

    Reward our enemies and punish our friends, the new American foreign policy doctrine.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IIRC it's only the US that is in the embargo. Cuba is free to trade with and have tourism from the rest of the world. Until they agree to transition to democracy and improve human rights, only the Cuban elites would benefit from open trade. My Dad has been on a couple of missions to Cuba and it's the epitome of a third-world Communist country where most have nothing unless the government allows it.
    As opposed to the 'democratic' third world nations where our agreements mostly benefit the capitalist elites and leadership cronies. The same third world democratic countries where the average citizen gets the left overs after the elite pick through the wealth and get nothing unless the government allows it.

    Context is everything.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    As opposed to the 'democratic' third world nations where our agreements mostly benefit the capitalist elites and leadership cronies. The same third world democratic countries where the average citizen gets the left overs after the elite pick through the wealth and get nothing unless the government allows it.

    Context is everything.
    In this case we're talking about Cuba. Castro could have chosen to go with the US capitalist model but chose Communism which takes all and doles out just enough to survive.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    In this case we're talking about Cuba. Castro could have chosen to go with the US capitalist model but chose Communism which takes all and doles out just enough to survive.
    In this case you are being blind to the culture we encourage south of the border.

    Castro could have chosen to allow the huge US business interests, to include the Mafia, free reign like Basista did but when he baulked the good ol' USofA got all butt hurt and attempted a series of assassination attempts, some so comical the CIA was a laughing stock and some so tragic (Bay of Pigs) the covert ops dept was shaken to the core.

    Like Iran's democracy of the 50's, Chilean CIA sponsored Coup of '73, Pinochet in Argentina, if they dare to go against our wishes we get spoiled brat mean, if they pretend to be anti-commie then we see no evil....

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    The embargo was VERY successful. It prevented Cuba being able to continue to finance and export revolution and socialism throughout Central and South America. It prevented Cuba from have the funds to being a major financer of weapons for such revolutions and terrorism.

    As for the "Mafia," Castro became the head of his own Mafia - with the military to back it up. The Cuban government is a drug cartel and open safe haven for terrorists and cop-killers.

    You are correct in that the Bay of Pigs was a disaster. The disaster was the betrayal of President Kennedy who, after promised they would have air support, left those we supported to take back Cuba to be slaughtered and captured.

    We now have a President who has made it clear he's not anti-commie. In fact, he is their savior.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I wonder, all those protesting politicians. Are they afraid of loosing the Cuban vote in Florida? Are they genuinely of the opinion that the embargo was an effective tool of changing the ways of the communist government of Cuba? Or are they so stuck in their ways that they afraid that the die hard pro-embargo people in their own party are going to cause them to loose votes? It was a pretty safe bet to be pro-embargo before now, maybe the tides will be turning when the American public turns out to not be against diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba?

    I do not know but from some politicians I can respect that they are anti-lifting of the embargo (those with Cuban blood so to speak) but for most politicians I have little respect or understanding for wanting to prolong a policy that has neither worked nor been beneficial to the US people/Cuban Americans.
    There are still some Americans who don't like Cuba being the safe haven and asylum of terrorists, kidnappers and American-cop killers.

    The policy was hugely beneficial to the USA and all of the Americas. But, since you disagree, post your list of the countries you wished Cuban forces to invade and the list of countries you wanted Cuban filtered weapons to arm their socialists revolutions?

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