View Poll Results: What is your opinion of the Cuban embargo?

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  • It was right then and it should not be lifted

    2 1.89%
  • It was wrong then and it is right to be lifted

    18 16.98%
  • It was right then and it right to be lifted

    82 77.36%
  • It was wrong then but it should not be lifted

    0 0%
  • Other, please explain .............

    1 0.94%
  • I hate those rotten commies, bomb them out of Cuba now!!

    0 0%
  • I am a peaceful person, let's all go over to Cuba to hug commies

    1 0.94%
  • I do not care one way or another / I have no opinion

    2 1.89%
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Thread: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Cuba lost trillions, I can give two ****s, they ****ed with us, so we ****ed them back, 50 times harder. Good.

    Maybe now they'll rethink ****ing with us?
    When did they do what ever you said to you?

    It might have been wrong for them to agree to the rockets on their island, but that was all after the bay of pigs incident.

    Maybe, if the US and the US mob would not have been so friendly to the dictator Batista, all of the revolution etc. would not have been needed.

    It was a democratic society (from what I remember, learned and just read) until the democratic government was ousted out of power by a military coup, an illegal government which was quickly recognized by the US as the legitimate government of Cuba.

    You can point towards the guilt of Castro but Castro could point to the guilt of the US government, US companies and US mob for the power of the dictator Batista. This all started with Batista, not with Castro.

    Maybe the situation would have been a lot better if the US would not have gotten involved with Batista but would have supported the legitimate leaders of Cuba. The US supported Batista with aid that virtually all came in the form of weapons to strengthen the Batista dictatorship.

    Further the US government used it's influence to increase the profits of US firms and made it possible for just about every natural resource of Cuba to come into the hands of American companies. At the urging of the US government ITT was allowed to raise the telephone rate in such an excessive rate that out of thanks ITT gave the US backed Batista a solid gold telephone.

    Sorry, but Castro was a response to the crimes of Batista and the government that supported him.
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    After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Im only interested in it if we can make both a visible impact on liberalizing the regime and if it is economically beneficial to us.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    IIRC it's only the US that is in the embargo. Cuba is free to trade with and have tourism from the rest of the world.

    Until they agree to transition to democracy and improve human rights, only the Cuban elites would benefit from open trade.

    My Dad has been on a couple of missions to Cuba and it's the epitome of a third-world Communist country where most have nothing unless the government allows it.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IIRC it's only the US that is in the embargo. Cuba is free to trade with and have tourism from the rest of the world.

    Until they agree to transition to democracy and improve human rights, only the Cuban elites would benefit from open trade.

    My Dad has been on a couple of missions to Cuba and it's the epitome of a third-world Communist country where most have nothing unless the government allows it.
    And the embargo has done nothing to solve that, all it did was entrench the communist government of Cuba in their position of power.

    China has been improving since they opened their borders, without that the communist government would be like the one in North Korea but with more money and loads of nuclear weapons.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    The embargo was not right to begin with and of course it achieved nothing. Good riddance.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Thank goodness mr. Gross is back from Cuba after 5 horrible years.

    You can think what you want of that, bringing illegal materials to a country that has rules clearly not allowing that is not smart. Jailing him instead of just deporting him was also a wrong decision from the Cuban authorities but that is now all solved because he is free.

    It looks like president Obama is going to strive for better relations with Cuba because it does not look like the police of the past 54 years has worked. The US trades with just about any other country in the world and by any reasonable standard the embargo policy has failed.

    What do you think? Was the embargo wrong or was it not the wrong decisions? Or was it right then and is it wrong to now continue it?
    I think it was right all during the cold war. Remember it was the Cuban Missile Crisis that started all of this. Castro then sent his troops to Africa and Central America to help the commies there during the cold war. Castro was the USSR's stooge, proxy if you will.

    But I think after the breakup of the USSR, it has sort of outlived its usefulness. But other than that, I really don't care one way of the other.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    I wonder, all those protesting politicians. Are they afraid of loosing the Cuban vote in Florida? Are they genuinely of the opinion that the embargo was an effective tool of changing the ways of the communist government of Cuba? Or are they so stuck in their ways that they afraid that the die hard pro-embargo people in their own party are going to cause them to loose votes? It was a pretty safe bet to be pro-embargo before now, maybe the tides will be turning when the American public turns out to not be against diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba?

    I do not know but from some politicians I can respect that they are anti-lifting of the embargo (those with Cuban blood so to speak) but for most politicians I have little respect or understanding for wanting to prolong a policy that has neither worked nor been beneficial to the US people/Cuban Americans.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If it would have been spying yes, but for illegally importing the 15 years was way too harsh. If jail was warranted it should be in accordance with the economical offense he committed, not for spying.
    Are you familiar with how Cuba treats its criminals?

    How can you say 15 years wasn't right?

    It may have been a short sentence for a Cuban.

    Another point is that you only know what the media is telling you.

    I am sure there was more to the story than any of us know.

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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Back to the OP, it's kinda hard to estimate or under-estimate the impact of the embargo, as you are left to estimate what 'might' have happened in circumstances other than reality, and that inherently is hard to estimate and produce hard numbers with the level of uncertainty of the assumptions.

    It is certainly very likely that had there been no embargo that Cuba's economic development and growth would have been greater, within limits of what a Socialistic economy can accomplish as to growth.

    What growth rates have other Socialist economies delivered? Russia's failed and converted into something far more capitalistic, as has China's. North Korea's is so woeful they can't even feed their own people properly.
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    Re: After 54 years, was the Cuban embargo a failed policy or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I wonder, all those protesting politicians. Are they afraid of loosing the Cuban vote in Florida? Are they genuinely of the opinion that the embargo was an effective tool of changing the ways of the communist government of Cuba? Or are they so stuck in their ways that they afraid that the die hard pro-embargo people in their own party are going to cause them to loose votes? It was a pretty safe bet to be pro-embargo before now, maybe the tides will be turning when the American public turns out to not be against diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba?

    I do not know but from some politicians I can respect that they are anti-lifting of the embargo (those with Cuban blood so to speak) but for most politicians I have little respect or understanding for wanting to prolong a policy that has neither worked nor been beneficial to the US people/Cuban Americans.
    I think during the cold war, with Cuba sending their troops to Africa to fight along side of other communist forces in several countries trying to over throw legitimate governments and to Nicaragua to back up the Sandinistas as a surrogate of the USSR, the embargo made sense and was warranted. The fact the USSR had to send millions of Rubles to Cuba to shore up their economy probably helped in the long run to cause the USSR to dissolve.

    It was indeed warranted during that time frame. So I sort of look at the embargo as a relic of the cold war. Others look at it different. If it is done away with, fine. If not, no biggie. It has become a way of life and both countries have adjusted to it long ago. Would lifting it help the Cuban people or the regime, the way they operate the regime will be take care first with perhaps some scraps getting down to the people.

    I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try something different.
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