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    Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

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    What was done to the victims of 9/11 should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified for what others of USA has done in the Middle East?

    What done to prisoners at Gitmo should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified because of what other people did on 9/11?

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What was done to the victims of 9/11 should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified for what others of USA has done in the Middle East?

    What done to prisoners at Gitmo should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified because of what other people did on 9/11?
    You know what I've always found interesting? It's how often we're told we need to understand that terrorism is simply a backlash or a reaction to any number of things (all things we're doing and/or have done wrong), yet when terrorism occurs, often the same people will be incensed at the backlash or reaction that terrorism creates.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    What a bizarre question...you spends time thinking of these things?

    What does it possibly matter even if it was torture?

    It's like asking were the Jews on the trains going to Auschwitz concentration camp tortured by being treated so badly before they were eventually killed? What difference does it make? They were brutally murdered is what matters. Not if their treatment constitutes torture before they were murdered.

    What is the point to the question?
    Last edited by DA60; 12-17-14 at 03:20 AM.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Incidentally, I voted that some were - probably the majority. I imagine, though, that there were some in the towers that died immediately upon impact. Same with the Pentagon. Torture is about prolonged suffering so in those cases, it wouldn't apply IMO.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What a bizarre question...you spends time thinking of these things?
    I explained that, and to be honest, I'm expecting the results to shape up a certain way, though I can think of no reason it should. Sorry, I'm sure that's clear as bug guts on your windshield. I'm just legitimately curious how the votes will stack up.

    What does it possibly matter even if it was torture?


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    I accept that you don't. Thanks for playing, though.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

    Attaching the poll now.
    By definition, that's not really torture. The important thing to recognize here is that torture wouldn't have prevented 9/11, and 10 years of war and torture hasn't made the world one bit safer. I'd even argue we're far less safe than we were on September 12th, 2001.

    I've said this a bunch of times but I'll say it again. Just because you're fighting monsters doesn't mean you need to become one. The American people as a large majority are opposed to torture. The burden is on anyone else to prove and quantify that torture will make us safer, so if you can, feel free.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    The OP's argument is utter garbage. By the same logic, the U.S. "tortured" Nazi soldiers to death when we bombed the buildings they were located in.

    Torture is a deliberate intentional intention to inflicting suffering on another human being. Most ways of violently killing people also lead to suffering, but that is a byproduct, not the purpose of the act. 9/11 was mass murder, not torture.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    By definition, that's not really torture. The important thing to recognize here is that torture wouldn't have prevented 9/11, and 10 years of war and torture hasn't made the world one bit safer. I'd even argue we're far less safe than we were on September 12th, 2001.

    I've said this a bunch of times but I'll say it again. Just because you're fighting monsters doesn't mean you need to become one. The American people as a large majority are opposed to torture. The burden is on anyone else to prove and quantify that torture will make us safer, so if you can, feel free.
    Well sure, when someone says torture, you think of intense physical and possibly permanent damage. Those recent beheadings were torture, if you ask me. The problem is trying to lump what the U.S. did with things like that.

    I do doubt the majority of the U.S. agrees with that nothing should have been done, but can you, at least, understand why some people were pissed off that it happened?

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What was done to the victims of 9/11 should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified for what others of USA has done in the Middle East?

    What done to prisoners at Gitmo should be outlawed. Do you agree? Or do you think it was justified because of what other people did on 9/11?
    Should it be illegal for a political party to release a report created of partisans that cherry picked third party accounts never once interviewing one person from the CIA whose accounts greatly differ? And that this reckless behavior on their behalf has put these people and their families in danger?

    Should it be illegal to put a gag on the interrogators while allowing the terrorist free speech? Because that is what they did. Dr. James Mitchell, U.S. AIR FORCE PSYCHOLOGIST and the one who wrote the manual on how to train our soldiers to resist interrogation if captured was the man the government went to in setting up the interrogations of the terrorists. He was placed under a gag order while Abu Zubaydah could say anything he wanted. He wasn't allowed to speak out while the Democrats on the Intelligence committee trashed him.

    Very recently, a matter of days ago the gag order has been lifted and Dr. Mitchell is speaking out. He and several CIA directors as well. The backlash of releasing the report is evident in the polls. And now they are finding out it is an inaccurate account.
    Last edited by vesper; 12-17-14 at 03:43 AM.

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