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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure they were. They were subjected to a great deal of mental torture. Those people knew what was happening to them. Think of those on Fight 93. They knew what happened to the other 3 planes, which is why they fought back. You can't say that wasn't mental torture. It was.

    1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control; (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from— (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

    The terrorists were waterboarded for 10 seconds. Yes, that was torture. This was equally as bad if not substantially worse.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I've highlighted the relevant words there.
    I understand. But I also believe that the terror those hijackers inflicted was intentional.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The OP's argument is utter garbage. By the same logic, the U.S. "tortured" Nazi soldiers to death when we bombed the buildings they were located in.

    Torture is a deliberate intentional intention to inflicting suffering on another human being. Most ways of violently killing people also lead to suffering, but that is a byproduct, not the purpose of the act. 9/11 was mass murder, not torture.


    I wonder how tortured this guy felt before this pic.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If you completely redefine the word torture to render it entirely meaningless, then yes, they were tortured.
    Which is what the left has been doing since the release of this Senate report on enhanced interogation.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So there should be no reaction to terrorism? We're responsible for creating it any way so no big deal? I doubt you'll be able to sell that to many people but good luck.
    I didn't say either of those things. I said that supporting torture because you want terrorists to suffer isn't productive. I'd say the same thing about the death penalty. If you think torture or capital punishment are beneficial to us in some way, then so be it. But I don't accept "you want to outlaw torture? Have you forgotten what those terrorists did to us on 9/11?" to be a valid argument for the use of torture.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    9/11 occurred because of a series of restrictions created over the course of over twenty years, Democrats and Republicans alike, that made it impossible for the FBI to share with the CIA on intelligence. They could connect the dots after the fact but what the Hell good does that do after the damage was done?
    When you lose 3000 lives in such a way with threats of more to come, it becomes and extraordinary situation that requires extraordinary measures.
    When you lose that perspective pal then you have lost it all.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    "Tortuous" and "torture" are not the same. Under such sloppy word usage, every person ever shot or bombed by the US military was "tortured." Death being tortuous does not equate to someone doing torture.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

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    Oh boy. A transparent attempt to justify torture led by the US.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

    Attaching the poll now.
    Interesting, by definition of the word torture, yes some were in fact tortured.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death.
    What do you think?




    Attaching the poll now.


    Check with Dick Cheney and others who served in the G.W. Bush mis-administration.

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