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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why did you even bring that particular law into it if the law is not the issue? Torture has a much broader commonly understood definition that is no less valid and, in fact, more valid since this is not about charging anyone with a crime.
    Because you have to define terms. If you do not define terms, you start arguing past each other. You asked a question, I found a definition under law and answered the question based on what the definition said. If you want people to use a specific definition of a word, you need to specify that in your OP. You did not, so I provided one for my answer.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Abandon reason? WTH? I'll tell you who is abandoning reason pal. They are those who have forgotten 9/11 was basically an inside job because
    9/11 was performed by those who were here on expired Visas under Bill Clinton while taking flying lessons.
    I don't think you know how inside job works. Government ineptitude does not an inside job make. Basically or otherwise. Sort of like, how what Obama says, and what you think he said, are not the same thing.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    No, none of the victims on the plane were subject to torture, and the definition is inapplicable to the victims in the towers.
    Sure they were. They were subjected to a great deal of mental torture. Those people knew what was happening to them. Think of those on Fight 93. They knew what happened to the other 3 planes, which is why they fought back. You can't say that wasn't mental torture. It was.

    1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control; (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from— (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

    The terrorists were waterboarded for 10 seconds. Yes, that was torture. This was equally as bad if not substantially worse.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This came up on talk radio and I thought it an interesting question because I haven't ever thought about it in those terms. Was it torture to be on one of those high jacked planes? How about being trapped in the WTC towers were the heat and smoke was so intense that several chose to leap to their deaths instead? I think a strong argument can be made that they were not only tortured, they were tortured to death. What do you think?

    Attaching the poll now.
    I voted "some were tortured". Anyone here who doesn't see that if nothing else, there was mental torture applied in this situation, is not being honest about it.
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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't think you know how inside job works. Government ineptitude does not an inside job make. Basically or otherwise. Sort of like, how what Obama says, and what you think he said, are not the same thing.
    Oh please Hatuey, using "inside job" was pretty evident I was referring to a group of people that had taken up temporary residence in this country that our government was well aware were here.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    For those who weren't killed instantly (most of them) Yes, but what was done to them is already highly illegal, and prevented and prosecuted when possible, unlike the CIA "interrogations" (although is illegal under international law)

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You know what I've always found interesting? It's how often we're told we need to understand that terrorism is simply a backlash or a reaction to any number of things (all things we're doing and/or have done wrong), yet when terrorism occurs, often the same people will be incensed at the backlash or reaction that terrorism creates.
    How their point is made does matter. They could've attacked a highly symbolic landmark that the statue of liberty, that was unoccupied, and it wouldn't be nearly so heinous and have united americans across the political spectrum. *Everyone* mourned the victims, except for jihadists.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    I think its reasonable to believe that not everyone was going to die on impact. Those left to fight for their lives or jump were in fact victims of a planned attack that had its intended purpose.

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    WW2 bombs were mass killing, just the same as 9/11. The WW2 bombings were not mass murder, because killing done to military targets serving a nation we had issued a declaration of war against is not murder.

    Torture, killing, murder, these words all have definitions.
    So the entire city of hiroshima was a military target? Seriously?

    There will always be some collateral damage, but that does fit my definition of mass murder

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    Re: Were 9/11 Victims Tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure they were. They were subjected to a great deal of mental torture. Those people knew what was happening to them. Think of those on Fight 93. They knew what happened to the other 3 planes, which is why they fought back. You can't say that wasn't mental torture. It was.

    1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control; (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from— (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

    The terrorists were waterboarded for 10 seconds. Yes, that was torture. This was equally as bad if not substantially worse.
    Using that definition is fine, it is as good as any, but if you use that definition then there is no way you can fit what the hijackers did to that definition. What they did was not "under the color of law". Color (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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