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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Despite the Bush wealth and insider machinery pushing him everyway possible, Romney is more popular among Republicans.

    Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News

    So, which would you vote for in 2016, Romney or Clinton?


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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When I look at the candidates, I pretty much assume that they will receive 90% of the base vote in any particular state. Call it a rule of thumb. Then I look at favorable/unfavorable ratings of the candidates among independents. It is independents that any Republican candidate must secure around 54% of to win nationally due to the Democrats larger base. Romney's ratings among independents is 43/44 a negative 1, Bush's is 33/32 plus 1. Not much difference, none really when one considers the margin of error. But with Romney the electorate mind is pretty much made up. He really has no room to improve, but the opposite is true also. With Bush there still is 34% undecided/don't know enough. He can either really improve his standing among the independents a whole lot or he can really fall off the cliff. But the possibility exists for improvement whereas Romney, a known quantity there really is none.

    Now Clinton stands at 51/43, only Bush has a chance of matching hers. Romney is basically standing close to where he was in November of 2012 when he was 44/46 and Obama at 51/47.

    Now having said all of this, this far out none of the above means a thing. But it does show you where things stands today especially among the independents.


    As for close races in 2012 there were only 4, Obama won Florida by 0.88%, Ohio 2.98% and Virginia by 3.87%, Romney won North Carolina by 2.04%. I have no doubt Bush would erase that less than 1% margin and win Florida, North Carolina would be the only state that was close that could turn blue, even so Bush would get 29 EV from Florida while losing 15 from North Carolina.
    Ok, based upon your assumptions that no one who didn't vote for Romney last time would vote him this time, and your assumption that lots of people who in polls say they wouldn't vote for Jeb Bush but actually they are lying and throwing out polls you don't like - yeah, you can come up with your being certain Bush would win. Of course, that basis of analysis is worthless, isn't it?

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Analysis is simple.

    Clinton is a positive name.

    Bush a negative one.

    There has already been a Clinton v Bush showdown and Bush lost.

    Every poll shows Hillary Clinton would beat Jeb Bush - BADLY.

    Electing Hillary would be a FIRST. The media and people like FIRSTs. Jeb Bush would be a 3 layer hand-me-down - disgusting to many people.

    The women's vote is MASSIVELY larger than the Latino vote. Hillary is a woman. Bush is a man.

    It'd be a slaughter against Jeb Bush. The analysis of "but he speaks Spanish and is from Florida" is simplistic and wrongheaded cherry picking.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Ok, based upon your assumptions that no one who didn't vote for Romney last time would vote him this time, and your assumption that lots of people who in polls say they wouldn't vote for Jeb Bush but actually they are lying and throwing out polls you don't like - yeah, you can come up with your being certain Bush would win. Of course, that basis of analysis is worthless, isn't it?
    Not really, I am only going on the basis Bush would win Florida and the polls there back that up. No polling on Romney. It is called the favorite son approach. Here you can look at the general election match ups:

    RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race

    Now these are just the popular vote totals as polls go. Again all they do is give one a feeling of where things stand now and a bunch of what ifs. Notice Romney is not included. But the above does not give you the electoral count.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    if those are my only two choices....i am in deep deep trouble
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Rand Paul hits Jeb Bush on Common Core.
    Says it will be very very difficult for Jeb to run in the primaries .
    That and immigration are the two biggest hits against Jeb Bush in the primary.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Not really, I am only going on the basis Bush would win Florida and the polls there back that up. No polling on Romney. It is called the favorite son approach. Here you can look at the general election match ups:

    RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race

    Now these are just the popular vote totals as polls go. Again all they do is give one a feeling of where things stand now and a bunch of what ifs. Notice Romney is not included. But the above does not give you the electoral count.
    It is notable Romney is off the list, since he polls nearly double Bush and even more over anyone else among Republicans.

    The establishment does not want another Romney run. Romney can be independently minded - and nothing is more repulsive that having a president that might not do what Wall Street, the DC power-crats, the One Worlders and the hawks want.

    They all win if the general election is between Bush and Hillary no matter how it turns out. There is no war either would say no to, nothing Wall Street wants they won't get, no Patriot Act provisions they can't have, and no limits to federal power agencies wants.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Well, as the powers that be seem to be setting this up as a Bush v. Romney/Clinton v. Warren showdown and if I had to pick the winners I'd say Bush/Clinton who are for all intents and purposes negligible in their differences economically. Bush would accomplish much of nothing but perhaps staving off the social degenerates while Clinton would make strides in taking away more personal liberties of Americans in the "fly over states" and additional social engineering.

    Romney's greatest asset along with Warren's is that they are not Bush or Clinton, respectively.

    Unfortunately those are liabilities to the power players and we'll more than likely, major revelations aside see this match up should all parties follow through and throw their names in the hat.

    In any case, we lose.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is notable Romney is off the list, since he polls nearly double Bush and even more over anyone else among Republicans.

    The establishment does not want another Romney run. Romney can be independently minded - and nothing is more repulsive that having a president that might not do what Wall Street, the DC power-crats, the One Worlders and the hawks want.

    They all win if the general election is between Bush and Hillary no matter how it turns out. There is no war either would say no to, nothing Wall Street wants they won't get, no Patriot Act provisions they can't have, and no limits to federal power agencies wants.
    If that is how you feel, it really surprises me you would be for Romney. I seen very little difference between him, G.W. Bush, Obama and Hillary. Strange. Seems to me you would be more of a Paul guy.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If that is how you feel, it really surprises me you would be for Romney. I seen very little difference between him, G.W. Bush, Obama and Hillary. Strange. Seems to me you would be more of a Paul guy.
    I totally despised Ron Paul. I liked his son's independent streak, though he's racing to be mainstream.

    It is all opinion for anyone. While Romney would be a moderate, not conservative, and I don't like the social agenda of the right overall - and despite his flipflops - he is a brilliant man, his education shows it, and at least on a personal level he was loyal to the behavior rules of his religion - not easy to do. In short, I think there is a threshold to how corrupt he would be willing to be. I think he would have good motives.

    Unlike Clinton and DEFINITELY unlike Bush, there is nothing in his record of using government position for his own personal wealthy building - which is the Bush family heritage, and very much including Jeb Bush for which his initial wealth came by essentially theft of government funds via dealings with racketeers and fraudsters - many who went to prison. I believe Jeb Bush has no integrity whatsoever, is a thief and a big government insider in the worst possible ways.

    In my view, Jeb Bush is immoral trash, a person's whose entire resume is of political, institutional and financial corruption, theft and scams. Hillary? Hillary is a coattail rider, a hothead, and a big deal by declaring herself to be one. Romney? Romney was a businessman in the business of making money. He proved he is an excellent organizer over the Olympics and he proved he could function as governor with a solidly Democratic legislature - something neither Bush nor Clinton have ANY experience at.

    Candidly, what Hillary Clinton says and Jeb Bush says is worthless. They'll say anything, anything at all. While Romney was not consistent either, his personal life ethics of his own personal behavior seem basically perfect - where Jeb Bush's is despicable and Hillary's is, at best, lacking.

    Ultimately, when push comes to shove I believe Romney's inclination would be to try to figure what is the right thing to do. Hillary would try to think of what is the enlightened thing to say. Jeb Bush's only consideration would be "what's in this for me?" That's how I feel about it.

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