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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Romney or Clinton in 2016
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    If you contrast this poll to the poll of a Jeb Bush VS Hillary Clinton, you see the STRONG negative to Jeb Bush by comparison to Romney.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...nt-2016-a.html

    While there is a HUGE push right now for Jeb Bush as he is the DC insider's choice, publicly there is a LOT of opposition to ANOTHER Bush presidency - both because he is a Bush and the dynasty effect against him, which with Romney ONLY works against Hillary.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Despite the Bush wealth and insider machinery pushing him everyway possible, Romney is more popular among Republicans.

    Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News

    So, which would you vote for in 2016, Romney or Clinton?
    I wouldn't really vote for either. But if you put a gun to my head, Hillary.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    You never answered my question yet continue to attack jeb with conspiracy theories that you have not proven. The only thing I agree with you here is that Romney was an outsider and with his supporters built an amazing Network which has allowed him to stay behind the scenes. Forming the future of the Republican Party. I don't see Jeb doing this.
    I didn't use the word "conspiracy" nor claim one. The Bush clan is very much part of the neocon Washington DC power network and the power of that is recognized by the media in my opinion. Jeb Bush is in it for himself in my opinion and I don't see a history of supporting other Republicans.

    There are advantages to Romney, where there are negatives to Bush. The personal attacks and gaffs of Romney are old news - just like personal attacks against Bill Clinton became old news and don't hurt him - or hurt Hillary. Somewhat that makes Romney immune from those OLD attacks. He has no dynasty stigma. His campaign pitch would be a simple one really: "I told you so." About ObamaCare, Ukraine etc. "A second chance to get it right this time" sort of thing. Tying Hillary to Obama. Essentially allowing people to change their mind, seeing what Obama-ish/Hillary-ism actually brought.

    Bush comes with huge baggage, specifically his last name. He will not be popular with the conservatives, specifically over immigration, and not particularly so with the religious rightwing because of Common core. His knowing Spanish and having a Latino wife is a plus and attacks against his family would help rather than hurt him for that reason. He stances on immigration and Common Core will give him troubles in the primary. His last name is a backbreaker for him in the general election.

    Polls in the past have shown post-election Romney beating both Obama and Hillary Clinton. No poll has shown Jeb Bush ever winning.

    I think a good analogy would be Nixon's comeback after losing to Kennedy. There is no one the Republicans will love. I don't think it is possible. A Romney-Paul ticket would cover Romney's right flank. However, it likely Paul would decline the offer.

    Nothing will get the hardcore ubber rightwingers or anti-crowd to support any mainstream candidate - so they always pick some can't-win person as a 3rd alternative such as Johnson, Huntsman, the libertarian or whatever. In short, while they can express their opinion, there are irrelevant in real terms.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Despite the Bush wealth and insider machinery pushing him everyway possible, Romney is more popular among Republicans.

    Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News

    So, which would you vote for in 2016, Romney or Clinton?
    Gary Johnson. If not him any Libertarian Candidate or Constitutional Party Candidate on the Georgia ballot.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Neither.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Clinton, of course.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If you contrast this poll to the poll of a Jeb Bush VS Hillary Clinton, you see the STRONG negative to Jeb Bush by comparison to Romney.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...nt-2016-a.html

    While there is a HUGE push right now for Jeb Bush as he is the DC insider's choice, publicly there is a LOT of opposition to ANOTHER Bush presidency - both because he is a Bush and the dynasty effect against him, which with Romney ONLY works against Hillary.
    But the one thing a Jeb Bush nomination would do is put Florida and its 29 electoral votes into the GOP column. Bush could carry his home state. Romney has no chance of carrying his home state of Massachusetts and a less than 50-50 chance of carrying Florida unless he picks Rubio as his VP.

    Bush would carry the same states McCain did back in 2008 plus add Florida to that mix which would bring him up to 220 with 270 needed to win. Romney would also carry the same states as McCain, but without Florida he would start off at 191. Hillary on the other hand would start off with 247, meaning a loss of Florida would guarantee her the election.
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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    But the one thing a Jeb Bush nomination would do is put Florida and its 29 electoral votes into the GOP column. Bush could carry his home state. Romney has no chance of carrying his home state of Massachusetts and a less than 50-50 chance of carrying Florida unless he picks Rubio as his VP.

    Bush would carry the same states McCain did back in 2008 plus add Florida to that mix which would bring him up to 220 with 270 needed to win. Romney would also carry the same states as McCain, but without Florida he would start off at 191. Hillary on the other hand would start off with 247, meaning a loss of Florida would guarantee her the election.
    I understand your math. Not going state by state, in close states there could be an anti "Bush" enough to swing it blue. It isn't certain Bush would carry Florida just because of past success. With the boom of Florida long over (Florida was booming and money flowing when Bush was governor) and the old folks (who are who carries it for Republicans) dying off and not being replaced with more snowbirds, Florida is unpredictable and impossible to calculate. Bush likely would have an edge over Romney in Florida, but it not a certain win.

    Of course, the other question isn't who most likely would win, but who should? Personally, I strongly favor Romney over Bush for many reasons, plus do not like the dynasty effect. I think Jeb Bush is under educated (BA only in Latin studies versus Law and MBA for Romney), and Jeb Bush life is one of riding coattails.

    His big plus of course is his Latino wife and his speaking Spanish. That one is hard to figure. Dukakis also spoke Spanish, but Dukakis proved to be a weak sister in general as a candidate. While past elections can give clues, each election is unique.

    There are, of course, unknowns too. Jeb Bush has not been thru the gauntlet of a presidential election so it not experienced with the potential gaff mine field. Romney's been thru it and learn his lessons the hard way. Romney now can probably deliver his lines in his sleep - and learned never, ever, ever go off script.

    The media, though, may decide not to allow Romney to be credible and is loudly declaring Bush is. At the start, any candidate is ONLY as credible as the media says the candidate is.

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    Re: Romney or Clintion for President in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I understand your math. Not going state by state, in close states there could be an anti "Bush" enough to swing it blue. It isn't certain Bush would carry Florida just because of past success. With the boom of Florida long over (Florida was booming and money flowing when Bush was governor) and the old folks (who are who carries it for Republicans) dying off and not being replaced with more snowbirds, Florida is unpredictable and impossible to calculate. Bush likely would have an edge over Romney in Florida, but it not a certain win.

    Of course, the other question isn't who most likely would win, but who should? Personally, I strongly favor Romney over Bush for many reasons, plus do not like the dynasty effect. I think Jeb Bush is under educated (BA only in Latin studies versus Law and MBA for Romney), and Jeb Bush life is one of riding coattails.

    His big plus of course is his Latino wife and his speaking Spanish. That one is hard to figure. Dukakis also spoke Spanish, but Dukakis proved to be a weak sister in general as a candidate. While past elections can give clues, each election is unique.

    There are, of course, unknowns too. Jeb Bush has not been thru the gauntlet of a presidential election so it not experienced with the potential gaff mine field. Romney's been thru it and learn his lessons the hard way. Romney now can probably deliver his lines in his sleep - and learned never, ever, ever go off script.

    The media, though, may decide not to allow Romney to be credible and is loudly declaring Bush is. At the start, any candidate is ONLY as credible as the media says the candidate is.
    When I look at the candidates, I pretty much assume that they will receive 90% of the base vote in any particular state. Call it a rule of thumb. Then I look at favorable/unfavorable ratings of the candidates among independents. It is independents that any Republican candidate must secure around 54% of to win nationally due to the Democrats larger base. Romney's ratings among independents is 43/44 a negative 1, Bush's is 33/32 plus 1. Not much difference, none really when one considers the margin of error. But with Romney the electorate mind is pretty much made up. He really has no room to improve, but the opposite is true also. With Bush there still is 34% undecided/don't know enough. He can either really improve his standing among the independents a whole lot or he can really fall off the cliff. But the possibility exists for improvement whereas Romney, a known quantity there really is none.

    Now Clinton stands at 51/43, only Bush has a chance of matching hers. Romney is basically standing close to where he was in November of 2012 when he was 44/46 and Obama at 51/47.

    Now having said all of this, this far out none of the above means a thing. But it does show you where things stands today especially among the independents.


    As for close races in 2012 there were only 4, Obama won Florida by 0.88%, Ohio 2.98% and Virginia by 3.87%, Romney won North Carolina by 2.04%. I have no doubt Bush would erase that less than 1% margin and win Florida, North Carolina would be the only state that was close that could turn blue, even so Bush would get 29 EV from Florida while losing 15 from North Carolina.
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