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Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

  • Jeb Bush's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • Clinton's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%
  • Total voters
    22
TurtleDude said:
1) what is with posting that thing about Ms Bush again? its irrelevant

2) she isn't the candidate

3) what part of me voting for the politician whose predicted policies I find most appealing escapes you

4) do I really believe your support of Hillary is based on this fraudulent and feigned indignation over Ms Bush using coke when Obama (who actually is someone you supported for office) did the same?
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Her father is the candidate and he used his political connections and money to get her out of felonies. That means he's part and parcel to her in every which way.
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Ryan5 said:
Her father is the candidate and he used his political connections and money to get her out of felonies. That means he's part and parcel to her in every which way.
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I couldn't care less. HIllary is a left wing anti gun tax hiking Democrat who will appoint Judges who are like Kagan

Jeb is pro gun pro tax payer and will appoint judges Like Alito

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TurtleDude said:
I couldn't care less. HIllary is a left wing anti gun tax hiking Democrat who will appoint Judges who are like Kagan

Jeb is pro gun pro tax payer and will appoint judges Like Alito

end of story
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Thanks for admitting you don't care that someone who aids a person in dodging felonies might be in the white house leading our country. Tells us a lot about you.
 
Ryan5 said:
Thanks for admitting you don't care that someone who aids a person in dodging felonies might be in the white house leading our country. Tells us a lot about you.
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did you support Obama?

and your charges against Jeb are proven where?

why would I vote for someone who wants to raise my taxes and is a well known gun banner?
 
TurtleDude said:
and your charges against Jeb are proven where?

why would I vote for someone who wants to raise my taxes and is a well known gun banner?
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Do you not see Jeb Bush in the court room with Noelle Bush getting her out of felonies? I posted the picture..


Oh no I'm well aware you have no problem with a man in the white house who's son was charged and arrested for resisting arrest by police officers. Your sense of justice is very clear.
 
Ryan5 said:
Do you not see Jeb Bush in the court room with Noelle Bush getting her out of felonies? I posted the picture..


Oh no I'm well aware you have no problem with a man in the white house who's son was charged and arrested for resisting arrest by police officers. Your sense of justice is very clear.
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stop the stupid comments and just admit-you are a hillary fan. I vote for politicians based on what they will do for me or not do to me. your fake indignation is pathetic. Obama admitted using cocaine. Bill claimed he didn't inhale and he sexually harassed women. you cannot prove Jeb has done anything illegal

bill and hillary also violated legal ethics. hillary represented people in front of individuals whom her husband appointed.

so your whining about Governor Bush is silly and hypocritical

with that I am done with this silly thread
 
TurtleDude said:
stop the stupid comments and just admit-you are a hillary fan. I vote for politicians based on what they will do for me or not do to me. your fake indignation is pathetic. Obama admitted using cocaine. Bill claimed he didn't inhale and he sexually harassed women. you cannot prove Jeb has done anything illegal

bill and hillary also violated legal ethics. hillary represented people in front of individuals whom her husband appointed.

so your whining about Governor Bush is silly and hypocritical

with that I am done with this silly thread
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Are you a serious poster? I mean literally.... You don't use grammar and yet you stroll into political threads arguing why someone should or shouldn't be the leader of the free world in charge of nuclear weapons at the same time.. and you do it all with no capitalization or punctuation and actually expect to be taken seriously.. Jesus Christ.. At least give us Americans a chance verses the Europeans in arguments that we aren't all imbeciles.. Come on man.. Give us a chance.. Use periods.. Capitalize at the start of sentences.. Especially when arguing for who should run the planet.. My god..
 
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Is Jeb Bush 8 feet tall or is his wife a dwarf?
 
Well I ain't white or rich so they don't look like none of my kinfolks! lol
 
Ryan5 said:
I'm just saying, do we really want to let a man with so many criminal elements into the white house at all?


Bills transgressions were merely political. Jeb Bush's family has actual criminals and pill-popping felons in it. Wouldn't it be great if we could all call our local Walgreens pretending to be doctors and get off through our fams political connections?
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They all have unsavory connections. You don't get into power by being a boy scout.
 
TurtleDude said:
stop the stupid comments and just admit-you are a hillary fan. I vote for politicians based on what they will do for me or not do to me. your fake indignation is pathetic. Obama admitted using cocaine. Bill claimed he didn't inhale and he sexually harassed women. you cannot prove Jeb has done anything illegal
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Bill "not inhaling" reminds me of what Pat Paulsen said at the time - "That's the trouble with Democrats. Even when they do something wrong they don't do it right."
 
cpwill said:
Yeah. The charge here is adultery.

Jeb's partly Hispanic family are an asset to him, as is Marco Rubio's background. But not enough to counter the immigration problem he faces.
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C'man, you know for a fact it's a little bit more than that.

"Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain...if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?"
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Why was there a need to add the kid's color? The charge was meant to make McCain look like an old jungle fever type of sexual deviant. For you to up and deny it is pretty indicative that post-racial GOP that only sees race when it's important to them.
 
Hatuey said:
C'man, you know for a fact it's a little bit more than that. Why was there a need to add the kid's color?
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:shrug: I would be willing to agree that it is quite possible that those who made the ad were willing to throw that in in the hopes it would tilt a few votes. I also think it's quite possible that it immediately reinforces the fact that the charge was adultery.

Whichever, it was a lie. McCain did not father the child, however much he may have been a father to her later.

The charge was meant to make McCain look like an old jungle fever type of sexual deviant. For you to up and deny it is pretty indicative that post-racial GOP that only sees race when it's important to them.
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Yeah... if you want to talk about who is biased against mixed-race couples I'm going to start bringing up the fact that the most biased demographic is black women who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Even in our church the treatment of a white woman who dared to marry a black man was awful.
 
Ryan5 said:
Okay simpleton, let's feed you your soup of facts as I see you're beginning to feel cognizant.


-The Ambassador to Libya was in an open war zone

-The Ambassador to Libya was an open political Democrat

Hillary has no felons in her family. She has no kids with drug arrests, alcohol arrests and attempts at resisting arrest. Jeb Bush does simply put. Should someone like that be in the white house? Do you think Obama would have got into the white House if his kids had merely had a mere swipe with the law? Why should Jeb Bush get to be elected simply because he's a fat connected rich white guy with felon kids who he got off via his connections? Why is that fair?
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One, I think both Hilly and Jebby would be TERRIBLE POTUS's.

Two, TurtleDude is a lot things (some good, some not), a simpleton is not one of them.

Three, I would LOVE to see the first family with TONS of drug and alcohol arrests (including the POTUS); shows character. Good people learn from their mistakes, bad ones don't and people that never make mistakes don't know what life is about.
Unlike you apparently, I judge substance over style.

Merry X-thingy.
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: I would be willing to agree that it is quite possible that those who made the ad were willing to throw that in in the hopes it would tilt a few votes. I also think it's quite possible that it immediately reinforces the fact that the charge was adultery.

Whichever, it was a lie. McCain did not father the child, however much he may have been a father to her later.
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Lmao, why make up a lie about adultery? McCain was already banging his current wife before his divorce was finalized. Hell, he remarried 5 whole weeks after he divorced his previous wife. There was no need to imply adultery when there are already very real stories that don't require a black illegitimate child.

McCain's broken marriage fractured other ties as well - Los Angeles Times

"I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow," McCain wrote. "I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980."

An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.

Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.
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Get serious cpwill.

Yeah... if you want to talk about who is biased against mixed-race couples I'm going to start bringing up the fact that the most biased demographic is black women who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Even in our church the treatment of a white woman who dared to marry a black man was awful.
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As I stated: A sign of this post-racial GOP: Race only matters when it's important to your arguments.
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao, why make up a lie about adultery? McCain was already banging his current wife before his divorce was finalized. Hell, he remarried 5 whole weeks after he divorced his previous wife. There was no need to imply adultery when there are already very real stories that don't require a black illegitimate child.

McCain's broken marriage fractured other ties as well - Los Angeles Times
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Because it's easy enough for conservatives to put that in the context of a returning POW. The point was to suggest recent activity.

As I stated: A sign of this post-racial GOP: Race only matters when it's important to your arguments.
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:shrug: I don't think race matters to the GOP like it matters to those on the left. We tend to see things more in terms of ideological identity groups, whereas those on the left tend to turn more to the more traditional "identity groups" (gender, race, now sexuality). For conservatives, the natural fail is to therefore assume that when liberal tribes defend other tribes in the context of far-left behavior, that means that they themselves are supporters of (or would themselves engage in) said activity. No, they are just defending an ally in order to maintain the identity group model. For liberals, the natural fail is similarly to mirror image and assume that conservatives place the same weight on race and gender as they do, but in the opposite direction.
 
DA60 said:
The diversity of a family is superficial and irrelevant as to how well someone can run a country.

Anyone who votes for a candidate because of the 'diversity' of their family is either stupid or racist or both.
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Since when does it matter if the candidate can run the country?
 
cpwill said:
Because it's easy enough for conservatives to put that in the context of a returning POW. The point was to suggest recent activity.
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Lmao, McCain was released 7 years before the events in the article. In any case, what context? He was unfaithful to his wife, if the question was about adultery: Why throw in the black child? You're looking for anything to help you avoid the fact that the black child thing was unnecessary to a case about adultery.

:shrug: I don't think race matters to the GOP like it matters to those on the left.
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It wasn't about whether race mattered to one side and not the other. It was about when race mattered. That you keep ignoring that little fact is pretty indicative of just how invested you are in believing that there was nothing racial about saying that McCain had cheated on his pretty blond wife with a black woman and made a kid behind her back.
 
Shouldn't Bush be elected just to have the first Latina as first lady?

Isn't that how things are done now?
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao, McCain was released 7 years before the events in the article.
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And came back a different person, as most folks can understand. I'm not saying that it excuses his behavior, simply that it puts it in a context conservatives can understand. There is wide latitude given on the right to those who serve notably in a time of war.

It wasn't about whether race mattered to one side and not the other. It was about when race mattered.
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And the portion you cut out addressed this. For the left, race mattering is a permanent a priori because it's part of the foundation of their coalition. That's why the knives come out for women or blacks who are public conservatives - they threaten the coalition. For the right, race matters only situationally - when it is pertinent to a particular defined question.

In any case, what context? He was unfaithful to his wife, if the question was about adultery: Why throw in the black child? You're looking for anything to help you avoid the fact that the black child thing was unnecessary to a case about adultery.
... That you keep ignoring that little fact is pretty indicative of just how invested you are in believing that there was nothing racial about saying that McCain had cheated on his pretty blond wife with a black woman and made a kid behind her back.
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:confused: why are you insisting on this straw man when I have already agreed that the racial aspect was likely part of it?
 
DA60 said:
Three, I would LOVE to see the first family with TONS of drug and alcohol arrests (including the POTUS); shows character. Good people learn from their mistakes, bad ones don't and people that never make mistakes don't know what life is about.
Unlike you apparently, I judge substance over style.

Merry X-thingy.
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I'm not out to offend your sense of the world but there are tens of millions of people that live perfectly normal lives that have never been arrested. You get more points for not being an idiot, not for being an idiot and getting caught. That's simply how the world works. It's simply to say the people who don't have arrests are smarter. They left the party before the cops arrested people. Generally speaking you want those people who were smart enough to leave the party early and not be arrested, you generally want those to be your leaders in charge of the nuclear weapons. Not people who can't spell arguing in favor of the criminal element entering the white house.
 
Ryan5 said:
I'm not out to offend your sense of the world but there are tens of millions of people that live perfectly normal lives that have never been arrested. You get more points for not being an idiot, not for being an idiot and getting caught. That's simply how the world works.
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People that drink and do drugs excessively are not necessarily idiots. They are just troubled. Everyone has troubles - some are bigger then others.

And people that deal with their troubles through escaping (like drugs and alcohol) can go two ways. Give into it or learn from it. I will take someone that has dealt with their personal demons and come out the other side stronger and wiser then someone who has never dealt with them at all BECAUSE I know that the former will be steady under pressure because they have been there and done it. Whereas someone that has never known adversity (and being POTUS is FILLED with adversity) simply has no experience dealing with such things.

Also, we are talking about drinking and drug convictions...not hurting others. Imo, what someone does in their spare time - if it hurts no one else directly - is no one's business but theirs (and the law if it gets that far).

To disqualify someone because they once had problems, yet worked through them and became a better person for them means that - in your eyes (it seems) - as soon as people make ONE mistake, they are never good enough for you again.

Life is about learning from your mistakes...not being perfect.


No offense, but your opinion is what is wrong with U.S. politics. Because of this public desire for personal perfection, it rules out fantastic people who once made mistakes (and learned from them).

What the POTUS does with his/her spare time (if legal) is NO ONES business but his/hers. All that should matter is how well they do their job - not how well they handle their private lives.


You have started threads about which family looks more Americana and which looks fatter and one entitled 'Are Short-Medium height Men More Conservative and Tall Men more Moderate-Liberal?. Jeez man...how superficial can you get? I am not trying to pick a fight but do you even care about where they stand on the issues - or is all that matters to you is how they look?
 
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