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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hah! My status quo? You mean the system of apportionment that we've used since the very beginning of our nation? And btw, if you want that to change in your state, go for it. Some states don't allow gerrymandering. Each does it slightly differently. Gerrymandering is for the People's House, the most representative body for the people in the federal system. Why shouldn't it be decided by the representatives closest to the people in each state? Have you even read the Federalist Papers? Gerrymandering is discussed.

    Btw, no matter how you decide to draw those lines you're going to "artificially limit choices".
    i mean that letting politicians draw their own districts is the ultimate conflict of interest, as well as being completely ****ing stupid policy.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i mean that letting politicians draw their own districts is the ultimate conflict of interest, as well as being completely ****ing stupid policy.
    Then have your state apportionment controlled by an "independent" body, some states do that you know.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then have your state apportionment controlled by an "independent" body, some states do that you know.
    i would be glad if a computer drew the districts instead of some partisan asshole trying to keep his seat.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Let me guess. You don't like Jeb Bush's wife because she's overweight.
    Huh?

    Hillary's a fat woman as well, what's it matter?



    Christ. Are you people serious with "being offended on an internet forum" or is this some kind of forum-esq morality squad type stuff you all can't shake out of habit? Bleh. Get over yourselves already.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    what do you think manner means?
    Manner, the way the elections are held. Doesn't mean apportionment. Apportionment has nothing whatsoever to do with the time, place or manner elections are held. Perhaps you need to refresh yourself on what gerrymandering and apportionment mean.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Manner, the way the elections are held. Doesn't mean apportionment. Apportionment has nothing whatsoever to do with the time, place or manner elections are held. Perhaps you need to refresh yourself on what gerrymandering and apportionment mean.
    Perhaps you should refresh yourself with what the supreme court has already decided it means.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i would be glad if a computer drew the districts instead of some partisan asshole trying to keep his seat.
    Cool, contact your state representatives and/or your governor. Make the suggestion. Get the ball rolling.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps you should refresh yourself with what the supreme court has already decided it means.
    I have, show me where you believe the SCOTUS has decided anything other than the state decides on apportionment. Look, you're demonstrating you don't have a clue what these terms mean or how our system of government works.

    To repeat and already linked:

    States are allowed to draw their congressional districts, as outlined in Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution, which establishes that every 10 years a national census shall be taken. Based on the outcome of the shifts in populations, each state must redraw their congressional districts, but how this is done was never specified, leaving it up to the states. This has meant that the political party in power has an advantage and might try to redraw the districts in its favor, sometimes resulting in oddly shaped districts

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Huh?

    Hillary's a fat woman as well, what's it matter?



    Christ. Are you people serious with "being offended on an internet forum" or is this some kind of forum-esq morality squad type stuff you all can't shake out of habit? Bleh. Get over yourselves already.
    You're the guy who repetitively starts threads complaining about people being fat. The habit is yours....not mine.
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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    "That could hurt Jeb in the primaries."
    As Jeb Bush is a Republican Candidate with a diverse family background... this comment leads me to assume it means that since the racial bigotry of republican voters , it would hurt Jeb in the primary.

    Your reply to "How so?" suggested that you thought your example proved racial bigotry in the state of South Carolina. Which only confirms my first assumption.

    If this is not your intention, then please clarify.... but seeing as how you replied to the conversation that is the only logical assumption. I'm reading between your lines.

    I showed that that occurrence had little to no affect with McCain losing South Carolina.... so it wasn't effectively used against him, but it is an effective tool to slander Southern republicans.
    My intention was to state that Bush's family could be used against in the same manner that McCain's family was used against him. Whether it had palpable effects is another matter. However, it's indisputable that his family was used to hurt him at least in NC.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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