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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    I voted Jeb just cuz.

    In reality, neither looks anymore American than the other. This is a wholly divisive thing to do, and what I'd consider un-American.
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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In the same ways Republicans used McCain's black baby to attack him. Before you go on a denial campaign:

    Dirty Tricks, South Carolina and John McCain | The Nation
    I couldn't care less about denial of anything at all, because it doesn't matter to me. I wanted BrewerBob's take on it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have asked him.
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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    How so?
    Republicans have been going hard right on immigration as of late. Jeb has a latino family and more importantly his attitudes on immigration reform are much more moderate, even perhaps a bit to the left of center.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Republicans have been going hard right on immigration as of late. Jeb has a latino family and more importantly his attitudes on immigration reform are much more moderate, even perhaps a bit to the left of center.
    As far as I know, they've been hard right on immigration for at least a couple of decades (and it isn't legal immigration they oppose- just illegal immigration). I'm not sure that will have anything to do with it. They haven't been putting serious conservatives in for quite some time now.
    Last edited by lizzie; 12-16-14 at 09:18 PM.
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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    no more dynasties. and ending gerrymandering nationwide should be a top tier priority. our monochromatic duopoly is less than what democracy can achieve.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Republicans have been going hard right on immigration as of late. Jeb has a latino family and more importantly his attitudes on immigration reform are much more moderate, even perhaps a bit to the left of center.

    That's true, he is wrong on illegals. But all the folks I know who are against illegal aliens are just fine with immigrants of whatever color. In fact, all the republicans I know highly value immigrants as the lifeblood that keep this country strong by refreshing our roots.

    On the illegals issue, if both party's candidates are largely the same on the issue, then it becomes a wash and other issues take precedence.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no more dynasties. and ending gerrymandering nationwide should be a top tier priority. our monochromatic duopoly is less than what democracy can achieve.
    A POTUS doesn't have that power. I doubt a federal congress has the power either. It's firmly in the hands of state legislatures and governors. Gerrymandering has been a part of our system since before the first elections for the US Congress.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In the same ways Republicans used McCain's black baby to attack him. Before you go on a denial campaign:

    Dirty Tricks, South Carolina and John McCain | The Nation
    So you're saying that racism is why?

    Herman Cain is one of the "racist" Tea party talking heads and was doing great until The foreign policy Gaffs and Adultery claims came in for his presidential run...
    He's still a really popular radio host liked by many... but he was too conservative for moderates.

    When are you going to get over that... It is incredibly dishonest to apply one random distasteful negative polling scheme had the majority affect on the South Carolina voters, that same organization said his wife was a drug addict, McCain was gay, and that he was insane because of the torture he endured,, the one you are referencing was only one of the attempts made by the organization. And it obviously has no real legitimacy as an actual poll and it's results ... I get it, they are southern and white, so you think they are majority racist.... try to overcome your'e own racism.

    If you are interested in actually knowing history... the reasons for McCain losing was for A LOT of reasons, and no serious academic

    McCain Profile: The 'maverick' runs This is a great article.

    "Bush mobilized the state's evangelical voters, and leading conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh entered the fray supporting Bush and going on at length about how McCain was a favorite of liberal Democrats. Polls swung in Bush's favor; by not accepting federal matching funds for his campaign, Bush was not limited in how much money he could spend on advertisements, while McCain was near his limit. With three days to go, McCain shut down his negative ads against Bush and tried to stress a positive image. But McCain's stressing of campaign finance reform, and how Bush's proposed tax cuts would benefit the wealthy, did not appeal to core Republicans in the state."-wiki

    "With polls showing Mr. McCain either behind Mr. Bush or running neck and neck, the senator enters the last days before the crucial South Carolina primary with a serious tactical disadvantage. Not only does Mr. Bush have more money, but he is free to pour unlimited funds into the state because of his decision not to accept federal matching funds. And his own campaign efforts are being supplemented by mailings, phone banks and radio advertisements by an array of conservative groups bitterly opposed to Mr. McCain."

    This is one of the more crass claims I've seen on this board, filled with prejudice.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 12-16-14 at 09:41 PM.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's true, he is wrong on illegals. But all the folks I know who are against illegal aliens are just fine with immigrants of whatever color. In fact, all the republicans I know highly value immigrants as the lifeblood that keep this country strong by refreshing our roots.

    On the illegals issue, if both party's candidates are largely the same on the issue, then it becomes a wash and other issues take precedence.
    Yes, immigrants are a wonderful thing when they are legal. Those who respect our laws to enter legally are those you want to see have every opportunity to make this land their home.

    Jeb Bush supports open borders and amnesty to illegals. But so does the Chamber of Commerce. I use to blame the Democrats in Congress solely for not getting the fence built and send the needed funds to the border states to secure the border properly. But the truth of the matter is there are a Hell of a lot of Republicans that don't want that fence built or our immigration laws enforced.

    Personally I don't think this issue should be a wash between parties. Hopefully the candidate that emerges on the right believes in the rule of law and at least promotes securing the damn border before any discussion on immigration reform. What would be sweet is if someone would just be willing to force the damn laws already on the books.

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    Re: Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    So you're saying that racism is why?

    Herman Cain is one of the "racist" Tea party talking heads and was doing great until The foreign policy Gaffs and Adultery claims came in for his presidential run...
    He's still a really popular radio host liked by many... but he was too conservative for moderates.

    When are you going to get over that... It is incredibly dishonest to apply one random distasteful negative polling scheme had the majority affect on the South Carolina voters, that same organization said his wife was a drug addict, McCain was gay, and that he was insane because of the torture he endured,, the one you are referencing was only one of the attempts made by the organization. And it obviously has no real legitimacy as an actual poll and it's results ... I get it, they are southern and white, so you think they are majority racist.... try to overcome your'e own racism.

    If you are interested in actually knowing history... the reasons for McCain losing was for A LOT of reasons, and no serious academic

    McCain Profile: The 'maverick' runs This is a great article.

    "Bush mobilized the state's evangelical voters, and leading conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh entered the fray supporting Bush and going on at length about how McCain was a favorite of liberal Democrats. Polls swung in Bush's favor; by not accepting federal matching funds for his campaign, Bush was not limited in how much money he could spend on advertisements, while McCain was near his limit. With three days to go, McCain shut down his negative ads against Bush and tried to stress a positive image. But McCain's stressing of campaign finance reform, and how Bush's proposed tax cuts would benefit the wealthy, did not appeal to core Republicans in the state."-wiki

    "With polls showing Mr. McCain either behind Mr. Bush or running neck and neck, the senator enters the last days before the crucial South Carolina primary with a serious tactical disadvantage. Not only does Mr. Bush have more money, but he is free to pour unlimited funds into the state because of his decision not to accept federal matching funds. And his own campaign efforts are being supplemented by mailings, phone banks and radio advertisements by an array of conservative groups bitterly opposed to Mr. McCain."
    So many strawman arguments, so little time. What was stated is that this piece of information could be used against him, just like it was used against McCain. At no point was it stated that McCain lost because of it or any such nonsense. Now, if you have no more strawman arguments, you're welcome to move along.
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