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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Indeed the punishment for producing it is mandatory 15 years in the Pen and the minimum for possession for just one picture is 5 years.
    There is nothing to bad they can do to people who deal in child porn.
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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Not in America. We're not better than that, in fact. I think we should start waterboarding, and perform rectal feedings on known pedophiles and sexual predators if it means they can give up information to other known sexual predators and arrest them. National Security amirite?
    But if we did it to more than three pedophiles, we would be worse than the CIA.

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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    I despise pedophiles and think they should be executed. However, that for actually harming the child.

    An old fella here - in his 60s - was given 20 years for looking at kiddie porn online. That is bit of a different matter. Yes, those children are terrible victims. Candidly, we look at all manner of victims of many different kinds on the Internet. I'm not all that comfortable with basically books of illegal materials in their home (ie the Internet) being put in front of people and telling them if they open the book they go to prison for a decade or two.

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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Child porn is one of the most heinous crimes that exist, so I say no tolerance with those producing and distributing it.

    However, it must be clear how child porn is defined. We had this debate recently in Germany, whether mere nude pics count -- that would suddenly make parents criminals who make family pictures of their kids, say, at a holiday at a beach, which obviously is absurd. I don't know which definition is applied in America, and neither am I expert enough to say where exactly the line should feasibly be drawn.

    Also, there must be some leeway to individually judge the cruelty involved -- for example, I don't think that consensual sex between a 17 and an 18 year old constitute "child porn" when filmed. That's obviously a totally different matter than an adult raping a toddler.

    And I also agree that prevention is important too *in addition* to prosecution of perpetrators. Means should be found to prevent not-yet-criminal pedophiles from crossing the line to criminal acts. Every crime that is prevented in the first place is better than the best punishment.

    That said, when the case is obvious, 15 to 30 years for production sounds fine, when the perpetrator is an adult. So do 5 years for possession. And I don't see what's "cruel" or "unusual" about a regular prison sentence that reflects the gravity of the crime. IMO.
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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Not in America. We're not better than that, in fact. I think we should start waterboarding, and perform rectal feedings on known pedophiles and sexual predators if it means they can give up information to other known sexual predators and arrest them. National Security amirite?
    I oppose any torture or violence against people in prison. I favor executions for various crimes. I favor long sentences for others. But I oppose torture, violent or degradation against prisoners. American. Not American. Regardless of what they did. If it was so horrific it deserves torture and abuse, then it deserves execution. Execution is far more humane and civilized than is government sponsored (or allowed) torture of prisoners.

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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Yeah there's a difference between being attracted to children, and acting upon that attraction. There are support groups out there for pedophiles who don't want to be pedophiles and I think their rehabilitation should be encouraged.

    I do think that the penalties for possessing child porn is pretty harsh, particularly cartoon images. Distribution is basically an impossible thing to track in the digital age so laws based on distribution are pretty superfluous unfortunately (if we could track it then I think there should be harsh sentences on distribution). Actually acting on pedophillic urges is despicable and should result in a long jail sentence and permanent registration as an offender.
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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Not in America. We're not better than that, in fact. I think we should start waterboarding, and perform rectal feedings on known pedophiles and sexual predators if it means they can give up information to other known sexual predators and arrest them. National Security amirite?
    Grand Stand Hackery, amirite?
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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Grand Stand Hackery, amirite?
    So do you agree that we should torture Citizens accused of Pedophilia? I mean after all we are a country who is willing to do whatever it takes to protect it's people, right?

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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    So do you agree that we should torture Citizens accused of Pedophilia? I mean after all we are a country who is willing to do whatever it takes to protect it's people, right?
    Looks like you're willing to double down on posting silliness. Take a pill.
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    Re: Is The Punishment For Child Porn Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Looks like you're willing to double down on posting silliness. Take a pill.
    Way to dodge the question there, champ.

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