View Poll Results: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

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  • Yes, everybody should have Constitutional protections.

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  • Only citizens and legal visitors should have Constitutional protections.

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  • No, no visitors should have Constitutional protections. Only citizens.

    2 8.70%
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    "Visitors" means anybody here that is not a citizen. Can be legal with a visa or work permit, for example. Can be illegal.

    Please note that for the purposes of this poll and question, the current status is completely irrelevant. Imagine yourself writing the Constitution from scratch and this is the last item that you need to address before it is put into play.
    You want to ignore whether they are breaking the law or not? Whether someone is a criminal or not affects the "rights" that "citizens" have.
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    As a legal permanent resident (but not citizen) I'd be pretty peeved if I wasn't afforded rights to freedom of speech, or of religion.
    And the rest of us would care if a progressive is peeved about something, why?
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Doesn't it depend on what rights we are talking about?

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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Doesn't it depend on what rights we are talking about?
    No. The Constitution was written to limit the government, not the people. The rights enumerated in the Constution, along with others not enumerated, belong to the people and theyget them regardless of anything else. At least as far as our government is concerned. (or should I say at least as far as they should be concerned)
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    "Visitors" means anybody here that is not a citizen. Can be legal with a visa or work permit, for example. Can be illegal.

    Please note that for the purposes of this poll and question, the current status is completely irrelevant. Imagine yourself writing the Constitution from scratch and this is the last item that you need to address before it is put into play.

    What kind of rights specifically? Like, do they get the right to carry a gun no matter what?

    If you're asking about our justice system, yes they should have the same rights we do. Just like when we go to their countries, we are treated as their citizens are. Sometimes that isn't so pleasant, but when you break the law in (insert country here) you should be afforded whatever their citizens get.
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    the US Constitution applies to the US government... it limits what they can/can't do to persons within it's jurisdiction.

    the moment you say "... in the US".. you have simply stipulated the jurisdiction as "the US" .. .a jurisdiction in which the US Constitution is the supreme law.


    easy question...

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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And the rest of us would care if a progressive is peeved about something, why?
    Because 'the rest of us' generally do care that other people are afforded rights. Well the non-psychopaths do, anyway.
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    "Visitors" means anybody here that is not a citizen. Can be legal with a visa or work permit, for example. Can be illegal.

    Please note that for the purposes of this poll and question, the current status is completely irrelevant. Imagine yourself writing the Constitution from scratch and this is the last item that you need to address before it is put into play.
    Only citizens and legal visitors should have Constitutional protections. Those who are here illegally should have no rights except for 6 months in jail and immediate deportation assuming their only crime is illegal immigration.
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Only citizens and legal visitors should have Constitutional protections. Those who are here illegally should have no rights except for 6 months in jail and immediate deportation assuming their only crime is illegal immigration.
    Let me get this straight... you believe someone who can be incarcerated in our prisons, which aren't exempt from constitutional law, and then have constitutional protections denied to them? Am I getting that right?
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    Re: Should visitors to our country be afforded Constitutional protections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Because 'the rest of us' generally do care that other people are afforded rights. Well the non-psychopaths do, anyway.
    "Rights" are earned, not "afforded". Same with Respect and Contempt. Guess which progressives have actually earned.

    Look up the term psychopath then explain how it applies to to caring what progressives think.
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