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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    If U.S. citizens owe allegiance to the united states, then why do we need a constitution or why do some swear to defend the const. against enemies foreign or domestic
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    Stupid nonsense, do you even know where the definition for treason comes from?

    You ask "why do we need a constitution if US citizens owe allegiance to the US?" when it is that very document that DEFINES WHAT TREASON IS
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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Stupid nonsense, do you even know where the definition for treason comes from?

    You ask "why do we need a constitution if US citizens owe allegiance to the US?" when it is that very document that DEFINES WHAT TREASON IS
    There was a definition of treason before the const. was written. what you dont understand is that treason didnt become rebellion against the u.s. until after the civil war. Perhaps I should have asked ( what does it mean to owe allegience to the u.s. ?)

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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    There was a definition of treason before the const. was written.
    Irrelevant.

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    what you dont understand is that treason didnt become rebellion against the u.s. until after the civil war.
    Absolute unfounded BS, there were a good amount of trials against people for treason before the onset of the civil war.

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    Perhaps I should have asked ( what does it mean to owe allegience to the u.s. ?)
    If you're a U.S. citizen or even an ally of the U.S. and you wage war against us (literally pick up arms against the United States) or provide aid/comfort to the enemy (this includes all direct and indirect conscious helping which can be: giving intelligence, giving housing, giving food or drink, giving armaments, etc.) of the USA during wartime (it is wartime, we are in Iraq/Afghanistan, in fact, the USA for the most part is in a state of perpetual war it seems) you can and will be tried of treason, and unless pardoned, will most likely be sentenced to death (as scum traitors should be, no one likes a rat).
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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Irrelevant.



    Absolute unfounded BS, there were a good amount of trials against people for treason before the onset of the civil war.



    If you're a U.S. citizen or even an ally of the U.S. and you wage war against us (literally pick up arms against the United States) or provide aid/comfort to the enemy (this includes all direct and indirect conscious helping which can be: giving intelligence, giving housing, giving food or drink, giving armaments, etc.) of the USA during wartime (it is wartime, we are in Iraq/Afghanistan, in fact, the USA for the most part is in a state of perpetual war it seems) you can and will be tried of treason, and unless pardoned, will most likely be sentenced to death (as scum traitors should be, no one likes a rat).
    before the civil war to commit treason in the usa a person was an enemy of the people, after the c war treason became rebellion against the federal gov. it seems today a person cannot truly defend the const. against ALL enemies, but only enemies our gov. chooses

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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    before the civil war to commit treason in the usa a person was an enemy of the people, after the c war treason became rebellion against the federal gov. it seems today a person cannot truly defend the const. against ALL enemies, but only enemies our gov. chooses
    Well of course, the government, as a citizen or ally of it, is the only thing you can commit treason against.

    And the only way you can commit treason is by helping an enemy of the state, directly or indirectly, otherwise it's not treason, but something else like regular murder/manslaughter/espionage/what-have-you.

    What are you discontent about with the definition of treason?
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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Well of course, the government, as a citizen or ally of it, is the only thing you can commit treason against.

    And the only way you can commit treason is by helping an enemy of the state, directly or indirectly, otherwise it's not treason, but something else like regular murder/manslaughter/espionage/what-have-you.

    What are you discontent about with the definition of treason?
    Do those who have sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic, honor their oath or do they obey the federal gov? do we support a gov of by and for the people ? or a totalitarian,intrusive, and dictatorial regime? do we support freedom? or a police state?

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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    Do those who have sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic, honor their oath or do they obey the federal gov? do we support a gov of by and for the people ? or a totalitarian,intrusive, and dictatorial regime? do we support freedom? or a police state?
    Sounds to me like you're talking about the oath of allegiance for those who want to become naturalized citizens.

    Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America | USCIS

    It's goals are to:

    #1 support the constitution

    #2 Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen

    #3 Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

    Yes, you must defend the constitution AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES against not only domestic enemies, but more importantly, FOREIGN ENEMIES. If anyone, a citizen or ally of the United States, aids a foreign enemy in any way shape or form against the USA, that is, the constitution and all the laws here within the USA, they are committing treason and must be put to trial and hopefully executed for being such treacherous rats.
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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Sounds to me like you're talking about the oath of allegiance for those who want to become naturalized citizens.

    Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America | USCIS

    It's goals are to:

    #1 support the constitution

    #2 Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen

    #3 Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

    Yes, you must defend the constitution AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES against not only domestic enemies, but more importantly, FOREIGN ENEMIES. If anyone, a citizen or ally of the United States, aids a foreign enemy in any way shape or form against the USA, that is, the constitution and all the laws here within the USA, they are committing treason and must be put to trial and hopefully executed for being such treacherous rats.
    the constitution can come into conflict with the federal or state gov. or a person who utilizes the constitution can find themselves facing backlash from forces within the u.s. and then find no help or support from government agencies. This causes me to believe the gov is an enemy of the people and the constitution.

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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    A person who utilizes the constitution can find themselves facing backlash from forces within the u.s. and then find no help or support from government agencies
    Depends on what you mean by utilize, no rights are considered unlimited, although in the context of gun control, you're right and I also find the government to be not so helpful in doing what its supposed to do, that is, secure our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    This causes me to believe the gov is an enemy of the people and the constitution.
    Bull****, that's a matter of the constitution being misinterpreted, and our rights are hardly under that much of an attack, really, the few things lacking in terms of personal liberties are:

    gay marriage and gun control (abortion is legal, the debate is the only thing that continues as "pro-life" people keep rehashing the same **** over and over thinking that the court is going to change the decision it made in Roe v. Wade which it won't)

    Outside of that essentially all our rights are retained and secured by our government.

    We all have due process, we all can protest PEACEFULLY (Ferguson is FAR from peaceful), we all have free speech (hell we're practicing that right now), we all have the right to not let cops in without a warrant, etc.

    Outside of isolated examples of INDIVIDUALS, be they in government or not, infringing upon our rights, the USA continues to be at the forefront of the world in terms of freedom and opportunity and the chance for prosperity (not that it's perfect, but it's a ****-ton better than what you'll get in say, China or Russia or Africa or the ME or even numerous countries in the EU).
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    Re: Does The U.S. Constitution prohibit torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    He who wins the wars makes the rules.
    But what about during the war? What due process does a soldier owe his enemy on the battlefield? According to the constitution.

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