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  • It will financially collapse

    10 18.87%
  • It will financially develop

    12 22.64%
  • a more conservative policy will dominate the country

    7 13.21%
  • a more socialistic movement will influence the country

    14 26.42%
  • It will go into world war 3

    5 9.43%
  • l dont know

    12 22.64%
  • political polarizations will cause many of these

    11 20.75%
  • other

    21 39.62%
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : And nerve wracking, too! The IMF has recently signaled that they might be in favor of a global currency. We know that Australia, Brazil, and many other large countries are in favor of same, with China already saying they want the yuan to be included in the basket. China has tons of gold available to back their yuan portion, but I don't know about the others. Would the dollar be a part of that basket? I don't know that either, but I do believe it will happen, maybe sooner than anyone expects, because the One World Government people want it, and they are powerful, and they like monopolies that they control, IMO.

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    I think the Chinese are buying gold to back the supply of yuan in the IMF as a means to give all gold into the hands of the bankers of the world elite. It's the same thing f.d.r did in 1930s. It's really intimidating because the world currency is called the Brics. I think right now we are involved in proxy wars and the threat of ww3 meanwhile one world elitist keep us occupied while they do a power grab and monopolize all resources in the world. I think we are at a stage in history where world domination is very possible.

    However, I don't think it's the end. As we see throughout history imperialism exists tyrannies exist imperialism ends tyranny ends, I just hope we can do it through power of politics

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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I have high hopes for this country and the world, but it will require solving a few problems:

    1) Over population
    2) Energy solutions/Peak oil/Global Warming
    3) Better understanding of psychology
    4) Continued growth in infrastructure
    5) Massive scientific research in all fields

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    The above is nurture affecting nature... and that's huge. Small discoveries like this can help reduce crime rates, physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. All this political nonsense is useless in the end, it's small discoveries like this that can change the world.
    The free market is very capable of answering every single issue you have listed, and retaining our liberties while doing so. However, the suspension of our liberties and added economic influence by the federal government only brings on the awaited disaster of an economic collapse. This is the biggest issue of our time right now. We need to retain our free market and sustain the interest rates as soon as possible so that we can repair our broken financial system before the collapse happens

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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    I honestly don't know, but I'm not as optimistic as I was 20 years ago.

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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Reserves are what gives credit to the actual currency, it's the backing of the currency. It's basically backing the subjective value on credit.

    I understand what you mean with goods and services, however the way to properly economize is to study the gross vs net, or production cost versus actual value. The best way to do this is with currency because you can effectively see the trends in the market to rationalize the needs and the actual amount to create so you don't spend too much resources on something the people don't want or don't need.

    If the value of our currency fails we have no way to properly economize our goods and services. It would be bankruptcy, electrical power outages refrigeration systems failures all things our economy and dollar value is relied on, it would initially turn to pandemonium in regards to human reaction, I mean look at Michael brown and compare it to everyone in the country no longer has anything to give them credit for the amount of work they have put in their entire life. Which would ultimately be destroyed if the credit value of the dollar fails.

    This leads to the suggestion as to purposes of police militarization, nationalizing certain industries etc. etc. it's come to a point in American history that now in order to sustain the power structure in the case of an economic collapse is to institute crony capitalism and governmental powers over the actual markets of the system for companies to sustain it's power in an economic collapse. This is because it is historical fact at the minute we start inflating the dollar the economic system collapses as a result in only a manner of time, and these multi national businessmen know this and are instituting political powers to protect their power after the collapse.

    However, inflation is all an illusion and it's used to try to stabilize stock rates or increase actual power in the stock market of the big businesses and effectively rob the middle and lower class out of our savings. We need to end this as soon as possible
    I understand the words in your explanation, and I appreciate that, but somehow I can't imagine our currency collapsing in value.

    Our currency is backed by the basket of goods and services that can be purchased with it. It's the fact that we can use it to purchase goods and services that gives it value, nothing more. As long as our (like real life people) debts and bills have to be repaid in US dollars, then the dollar will always have value, regardless of any high faluten pie in the sky big time fancy international finance stuff.

    As long as the electric company pays it's employees in US dollars, it will have a need to acquire US dollars, and thus it will be willing to accept dollars in trade for it's electricity. Same with the grocery store, or Walmart, or the barber shop.

    Even the fact that our taxes have to be paid in US dollars helps to support the value of the dollar. If I have taxes to pay, then I have a need to acquire US dollars. As long as I have a need to acquire dollars, then I will accept dollars in trade for my goods and services (or for my labor, if I was someone who had a regular job).

    The only way I can imagine the US dollar becoming valueless is if we no longer had a need to pay bills or to purchase products. Like maybe if we stopped producing anything. But I don't see any reason that would happen, shy of some sort of apocalyptical disaster.
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    The free market is very capable of answering every single issue you have listed, and retaining our liberties while doing so. However, the suspension of our liberties and added economic influence by the federal government only brings on the awaited disaster of an economic collapse. This is the biggest issue of our time right now. We need to retain our free market and sustain the interest rates as soon as possible so that we can repair our broken financial system before the collapse happens
    I respectfully disagree that the free market can solve every problem. The free market isn't landing on comets. The free market is studying how a rat licking it's young affects it later. There are no immediate financial gains in those sectors - and quite frankly, I don't want the free market dabbling in areas that could be ethically corrupted.

    The free market serves a great purpose in what it does well, and public welfare, goods, and services are not what it does well.
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is until we as a nation can no longer sustain the debt we are piling up. Oh sure the government could print 20 trillion dollar notes and pay it off.
    Why would we ever have a need to pay it off? It's not like our government is going to retire when it reaches a certain age.

    But what would the dollar be worth then? How many wheel barrels of dollar bills would it take to buy a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs?
    It doesn't particularly matter, especially now when we don't actually have to physically carry in our dollars bills when we go to the store.

    We could have a 100 to one dollar split (like a stock split) today, and it wouldn't make any difference. Suddenly our paychecks would be 100 times larger, and our bank accounts would be 100 times larger, and everything at Walmart would cost 100 times more.
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I understand the words in your explanation, and I appreciate that, but somehow I can't imagine our currency collapsing in value.

    Our currency is backed by the basket of goods and services that can be purchased with it. It's the fact that we can use it to purchase goods and services that gives it value, nothing more. As long as our (like real life people) debts and bills have to be repaid in US dollars, then the dollar will always have value, regardless of any high faluten pie in the sky big time fancy international finance stuff.

    As long as the electric company pays it's employees in US dollars, it will have a need to acquire US dollars, and thus it will be willing to accept dollars in trade for it's electricity. Same with the grocery store, or Walmart, or the barber shop.

    Even the fact that our taxes have to be paid in US dollars helps to support the value of the dollar. If I have taxes to pay, then I have a need to acquire US dollars. As long as I have a need to acquire dollars, then I will accept dollars in trade for my goods and services (or for my labor, if I was someone who had a regular job).

    The only way I can imagine the US dollar becoming valueless is if we no longer had a need to pay bills or to purchase products. Like maybe if we stopped producing anything. But I don't see any reason that would happen, shy of some sort of apocalyptical disaster.
    Or if another country or another entity buys up our debt with a different more valuable currency. All that has to happen for that to occur is the federal reserve says they will no longer print money until the debt owed to them is payed off. Then let's say a global bric fund pays the debt off for the federal government and monopolizes America. I do think his will happen after a fabricated financial meltdown because the private owners of the federal reserve are the same private owners of the IMF.

    All that needs to happen to spark a financial meltdown of this effect is for the interest rates to maintain a zero then solely raise them up to around six percent and then drop the rate down back to zero. Well, if you have noticed the interest rates have been at a zero for quite some time now. When they start raising the rates it's time to start panicking. The best thing that can occur because of that is a recession like 2008, the worst hint would be what I have suggested, and that's a global currency buying off our debt

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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I respectfully disagree that the free market can solve every problem. The free market isn't landing on comets. The free market is studying how a rat licking it's young affects it later. There are no immediate financial gains in those sectors - and quite frankly, I don't want the free market dabbling in areas that could be ethically corrupted.

    The free market serves a great purpose in what it does well, and public welfare, goods, and services are not what it does well.
    I agree, however I see government, and government spending (investment) as being part of a healthy free market. Countries without substantial government provided infrastructure don't have strong economies.
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Or if another country or another entity buys up our debt with a different more valuable currency. All that has to happen for that to occur is the federal reserve says they will no longer print money until the debt owed to them is payed off...
    I don't believe that would be within the fed's mandate, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

    Anyhow, I don't see how a country could purchase US treasuries in any currency other than the US dollars.
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    Re: What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I respectfully disagree that the free market can solve every problem. The free market isn't landing on comets. The free market is studying how a rat licking it's young affects it later. There are no immediate financial gains in those sectors - and quite frankly, I don't want the free market dabbling in areas that could be ethically corrupted.

    The free market serves a great purpose in what it does well, and public welfare, goods, and services are not what it does well.
    Well the free market is actually a study of the most efficient way to economize a market, such as entrepreneurs decide which product is necessary for profit and which product isn't. which business tactics could we employ to maximize profit and minimize waste right? So basically with that being understood you have to understand that there is a market for things like space travel and other things and with a free market society you could in all reality figure the most rational way to travel to a comet or to use space for traveling considering profit creates competition

    The problem with most people is we have grown to hate the free market and suspend it's capabilities when in reality we should hate the business men who have corrupted the politicians on capital hill. You're right, companies are horrible in the way they treat people, but they would be very inefficient in treating these people a certain way if the government never got involved in the first place. The only role of a government in a market is to protect property rights, so basically the government can't favor anyone and the government can't implement policies to steer the economy in a certain way. Because once the company becomes favored by policy makers. Then the policies start favoring the company and effectively the company gets away with the suspension of human rights and the destruction of the overall welfare of the lower to middle class. However, with theories of competition, these companies would not be able to employ such horrendous tactics for the simple response of there is always an entrepreneur for a superior employer or a superior business to work at.

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