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What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?

What do you think the future of the USA will be like ?


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The question is, for how much longer?




'til it comes to a screeching halt and everything falls off of the shelves in one massive jumble that all of the king's horses and all of the king's men will never unravel. :roll:

I hope that I don't live to see that day.
 
Semantics.

My father worked in GE audit staff, one of the most prestigious programs dealing with economics/finance in the world and then traveled all across the world dealing with multi-million dollar deals. He's also an investor (of course).

Are you going to say he has no clue about economics because quite frankly, he says "U.S. dollar" as well.

Quit the semantics, only a fool will play that card.

Before you accuse me of being a fool I would advise you to read our previous debate and the posts it entails

Your right it's called throughout pop culture and economists and everyone uses the term u.s. Dollar, however I was trying to make a point that it's an actuality a federal reserve note to try to show him that it's not a currency we as the people have created it's a currency private bankers have monopolized.

This needs to be understood and is a direct relation to the rest of my statement in response to this. I would advise you to read our whole argument before throwing out name calling accusations because it's seriously unintelligent and against the actual nature of a proper debate. All it is is that you see my leaning you jump into a partisanship insult to try to destroy my credibility when you have no real valid point to add to the debate
 
That's a semantic argument that means nothing, and only evidences that you have bought into some sort of tea party conspiracy story. Our money is our money, there is no difference between the federal reserve note and the US dollar. They are one and the same.

Ok what does inflation do and how does the federal reserve controlled dollar supply introduce inflation and deflation?
 
i don't know, but the hardcore TP RSS fringe definitely hates the "libs" and the "socialism" that much.

Sure. I have a tea party friend who talks about succession all of the time. He somehow thinks that government represents tyranny, and that tyranny by the state is somehow less tyrannical than tyranny by the federal government (although I disagree with that).

The problem is that we have extremist in every state and in every part of the country. Somehow I can't see all the extremists migrating to the same parts of the country.
 
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Your right it's called throughout pop culture and economists and everyone uses the term u.s. Dollar, however I was trying to make a point that it's an actuality a federal reserve note to try to show him that it's not a currency we as the people have created it's a currency private bankers have monopolized. ...

You do realize that the federal reserve was established by our government and reports to our government and is part of our government, and was given the authority to manage our monetary policy by the government don't you? It can also be dissolved or modified by our government.

I have plenty of issues with the fed, and I don't even believe that a separate fed is the best way to manage monetary policy, but it's not this evil partnership between rich bankers and Dr. Evil that you make it out to be. That's just tea party myth.

The dollar and the fed reserve note are the same thing. It is what it is.
 
I would beg to differ.

I believe our future is hinged upon our attractiveness to people around the world. IOW, do people want to immigrate here or not?

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Immigration really isn't the problem. It's how we are as a nation. What our standards are. Whether or not we demand excellence of ourselves. How self-indulgent we become. We are no longer a great nation. We may become one once again, at some point down the road, but we are a mere shadow of our former selves. We have become soft, lazy, and complacent.
 
Ok what does inflation do and how does the federal reserve controlled dollar supply introduce inflation and deflation?

I suspect that you know the answers to those questions already. So what's your point?
 
Immigration really isn't the problem. It's how we are as a nation. What our standards are. Whether or not we demand excellence of ourselves. How self-indulgent we become. We are no longer a great nation. We may become one once again, at some point down the road, but we are a mere shadow of our former selves. We have become soft, lazy, and complacent.

Yea, we should go back to whipping people, and when they get old and useless we should destroy them with a hammer and toss their bodies into a pit.
 
Unless current trends are reversed ..

.. America will continue to mismanage population and over-populate, lowering wage-scales, thereby importing third-world poverty and associated miserable living conditions ..

.. Until soon only a disaffected-group-pandering liberal Democrat can win the Presidency, America will become more socialistic, less influential, and more dependent as a city-state on the U.N. one-world government run by a handful of dominant international corporatism conglomerates -- exactly what the strange bedfellows of the liberal Multi-Cultural Internationals and conservative Corporate Global Expansionists desire.

To reverse this trend, we must begin to effect population management principles, to prevent our population from growing beyond 400 million miserably over-crowded people by 2050 as the current rate projection predicts.

To do so, we start with "encouraging" illegal aliens to deport, bringing out-sourced Americans' jobs back from abroad, facilitating the living-wage, encouraging Americans to have smaller families, encouraging safer neighborhoods with freedom of movement and options, establishing liberty and justice for all Americans, whatever it takes to improve living conditions for Americans in America, as difficult as it may be for conservatives, liberals, and libertarians to grasp how we might accomplish this.

This centrist principle foundation is the only hope we have of regaining the American standard of living that will be lost one day forever if we don't begin now to recreate it.
 
Unless current trends are reversed ..

.. America will continue to mismanage population and over-populate, lowering wage-scales, thereby importing third-world poverty and associated miserable living conditions ..

.. Until soon only a disaffected-group-pandering liberal Democrat can win the Presidency, America will become more socialistic, less influential, and more dependent as a city-state on the U.N. one-world government run by a handful of dominant international corporatism conglomerates -- exactly what the strange bedfellows of the liberal Multi-Cultural Internationals and conservative Corporate Global Expansionists desire.

To reverse this trend, we must begin to effect population management principles, to prevent our population from growing beyond 400 million miserably over-crowded people by 2050 as the current rate projection predicts.

To do so, we start with "encouraging" illegal aliens to deport, bringing out-sourced Americans' jobs back from abroad, facilitating the living-wage, encouraging Americans to have smaller families, encouraging safer neighborhoods with freedom of movement and options, establishing liberty and justice for all Americans, whatever it takes to improve living conditions for Americans in America, as difficult as it may be for conservatives, liberals, and libertarians to grasp how we might accomplish this.

This centrist principle foundation is the only hope we have of regaining the American standard of living that will be lost one day forever if we don't begin now to recreate it.

Or we could solve the population problem by building more houses.
 
I can't imagine any respectable economist thinking America can just increase the debt without anything actually backfiring. The debt levels are seriously so huge we need to end the debt before there is a major economic meltdown

People aren't willing do to what it takes to fix the debt. They want the other guy to make sacrifices and will do no sacrificing themselves. And, because of political polarization, we do not have the leadership to effect the compromise necessary to fix the debt.
 
You do realize that the federal reserve was established by our government and reports to our government and is part of our government, and was given the authority to manage our monetary policy by the government don't you? It can also be dissolved or modified by our government.

I have plenty of issues with the fed, and I don't even believe that a separate fed is the best way to manage monetary policy, but it's not this evil partnership between rich bankers and Dr. Evil that you make it out to be. That's just tea party myth.

The dollar and the fed reserve note are the same thing. It is what it is.

Ok you didn't answer the question

Dr. Ron Paul passed a bill for auditing the fed THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY and the speaker john boehner didn't pass it through even though he won majority vote, I wonder if the speaker is in the Feds pocket? This is crony capitalism my friend. The fact that you can't understand how is due to your lack of economic understanding it's ok I just wish you'd read more into it that's all
 
Before you accuse me of being a fool I would advise you to read our previous debate and the posts it entails

Your right it's called throughout pop culture and economists and everyone uses the term u.s. Dollar, however I was trying to make a point that it's an actuality a federal reserve note to try to show him that it's not a currency we as the people have created it's a currency private bankers have monopolized.

This needs to be understood and is a direct relation to the rest of my statement in response to this. I would advise you to read our whole argument before throwing out name calling accusations because it's seriously unintelligent and against the actual nature of a proper debate. All it is is that you see my leaning you jump into a partisanship insult to try to destroy my credibility when you have no real valid point to add to the debate

It had nothing to do with your leaning. I saw someone playing semantics and outside of very special cases semantics piss me the hell off.
 
People aren't willing do to what it takes to fix the debt. They want the other guy to make sacrifices and will do no sacrificing themselves. And, because of political polarization, we do not have the leadership to effect the compromise necessary to fix the debt.

What we need to do is bring the actual problems of the fed to the grass roots and gain a tremendous uproar. The audit of the fed bill passed the first time in American history and boehner didn't push it through, this alone can bring enough attention to the actual reason of the bill
 
It had nothing to do with your leaning. I saw someone playing semantics and outside of very special cases semantics piss me the hell off.

Well that's a fair assessment but it wasn't trying to insult him with semantics it was in the efforts to try to explain to him it's a private monopolized currency
 
Yea, we should go back to whipping people, and when they get old and useless we should destroy them with a hammer and toss their bodies into a pit.

Typical older generation always complaining about the younger generation.

That pisses me off so much. Especially because I'm going to be the one paying for the ****ing baby boomer generation's medical bills and I'm not getting any social security even though the baby boomers are and I'm going to be a ****-ton more productive than the weed smoking baby boomers are.

To face such ridicule by the older generations. Granted it's not all of the people within the older generation, but a good amount.

It pisses me off, this whole attitude of "God-damn uncultured younger kids! blah blah! back in my day blah blah!"

America was plunged into a ****hole because of the baby boomers, not because of the X generation or millenials or the I generation.
 
Yea, we should go back to whipping people, and when they get old and useless we should destroy them with a hammer and toss their bodies into a pit.

And that has WHAT to do with anything I said?

This nation has become inundated with trash these days. It's reflected in pop culture. Crap like the Jerry Springer show sells. People entertain themselves with reality TV. People are obese and lazy. I have no desire whatsoever to do anything at all to them. Their own attitudes will be reward enough.
 
thanks for voting


Meh.

Polarization. But the polarization always existed in the West (meaning US). The only difference is that in the past the grandiose white supra national culture dominated so strongly that these polarization's with the blacks, the mexicans and others were worked out behind closed doors. They were still very much there. You simply have a reality now and into the future where no amount of liberal whites elite bargaining and backroom deals with said groups can suppress these polarization's any longer. There's too many non white groups now for the liberal white elite to pay "hush" money to and strike deals with any longer. The benevolence of the liberal white elite is basically numerically so thin now it can no longer "Keep the tent of racial chaos and angst" in check any longer so as to present a happy face to the world. That bank account is all used up and it isn't being replenished. So simply put, those groups are now coming out because they're not being bought off anymore and they're rather upset and with good reason. Those groups know that:

-The Mexicans, Asians will not pay the "hush" money the liberal white elite of old did.

-The Mexicans have no white guilt complex for slavery, obviously.

-Mexican culture is a racial class culture that is near medieval Catholicism imported directly from Mexico. This is not looked forward to by such groups for obvious reason.
 
I have no idea where we're headed. I think it could go one of two ways. Either we start something, a movement, to remove the two party system, and get money out of politics, and enact MAJOR election reform...at which point, the direction AFTER that is a bit of a mystery to me....


Or we continue on our current path, were in our future is bought and paid for by corporate interests.
 
You do realize that the federal reserve was established by our government and reports to our government and is part of our government, and was given the authority to manage our monetary policy by the government don't you? It can also be dissolved or modified by our government.

I have plenty of issues with the fed, and I don't even believe that a separate fed is the best way to manage monetary policy, but it's not this evil partnership between rich bankers and Dr. Evil that you make it out to be. That's just tea party myth.

The dollar and the fed reserve note are the same thing. It is what it is.


It is the Federal Reserve CORPORATION. JFK actually issued US National currency and it's a possibility it may have shortened his life, or not.
A CORPORATION can file bankrupcy but governments default. The word CORPORATION separates it from the US Gov't. Read about Woodrow
Wilson, Jekyll Island, and the Federal Reserve. There's about an extra $trillion out there that floats around the World to settle petroleum accounts.
Then there's a trillion or two out there secured by MBSs (mortgage backed securities) that are underwater, then the phony guarantees for hedge
and derivative funds to the background music of hundreds of trillions, and last but not least, those wonderful bankers we keep in gin and Cuban cigars,
instead of bars and chains. And now the NWO, or CORPORATE (THINK BANKING) control of gov't brought to you by SCOTUS and Citizens United.
 
Or we could solve the population problem by building more houses.
... Straight up into the sky like Manhattan, where people flood onto the streets and into the subways like sardines and crime is rampant.

That's miserable.

There's only so much hospitable land space, only so much room for transportation vehicles, only so much air space to contain gaseous population byproducts, etc.

Our planet is limited in size and resources.

We must respect that reality of physics.
 
And that has WHAT to do with anything I said?

This nation has become inundated with trash these days. It's reflected in pop culture. Crap like the Jerry Springer show sells. People entertain themselves with reality TV. People are obese and lazy. I have no desire whatsoever to do anything at all to them. Their own attitudes will be reward enough.

People said the same thing about Elvis, the Beetles, and the young Frank Sinatra.

Human nature never changes.
 
... Straight up into the sky like Manhattan, where people flood onto the streets and into the subways like sardines and crime is rampant.

That's miserable.

There's only so much hospitable land space, only so much room for transportation vehicles, only so much air space to contain gaseous population byproducts, etc.

Our planet is limited in size and resources.

We must respect that reality of physics.

Fortunately, world population growth is leveling off, and we are learning to create more with less raw materials. We are probably thousands of years away from being overpopulated.
 
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