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  • Murders and terrorists

    68 26.56%
  • illegally & wrongly resisting law enforcement personnel

    87 33.98%
  • resisting in a way justifying force and deadly force against them

    7 2.73%
  • criminals in the truest sense of the word

    86 33.59%
  • heros

    11 4.30%
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    5 1.95%
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Thread: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is the video of the fellow who went to police stations to ask for a form to report police misconduct. He was refused. Told to leave. Harassed and even arrested instead.

    Tell me what you think is the recourse a person has to police abuse?

    Maybe surprisingly, I'm not totally against police abuse and sometime think it's a good idea and the right thing to do. BUT that is those instances it is merited. Slug a police officer just to do so? Beat the hell out of that guy, sure. Lesson learned. There are other instances.

    Mr. Garner didn't even begin to approach it in my view.
    You speak with your state representative and the state police about your complaint. The state DOJ will gladly hear from you. And that's all without even having to mention the federal option. You have the civil option of going to court. And hell, you can easily go to the press. You are really that unaware of the system you've lived in your entire life? That's not the system's fault, that's yours.

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA's founding fathers fought for freedom for themselves, but they didn't give that freedom to black slaves or women when they set up the USA.
    Nor did any other country at that time....IIRC

    Oh it was outlawed in Iceland in the 1100s.
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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post



    "Treason doth never prosper.
    Why doth it never prosper?
    For if it prosper, none dare call it treason!" - Will S.
    Great quote.
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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You speak with your state representative and the state police about your complaint. The state DOJ will gladly hear from you. And that's all without even having to mention the federal option. You have the civil option of going to court. And hell, you can easily go to the press. You are really that unaware of the system you've lived in your entire life? That's not the system's fault, that's yours.
    At what stage does that bring Mr. Garner back to life?

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    The movie "The Patriot" is one I particularly liked and even was in an argument with someone how in that movie the two young boys took up rifles to shot soldiers to save their brother - and how unthinkable it is to so many today of boys that young being trained in firearms and to have them use them for defense of the family.
    Times change.
    Perspectives change.
    Nowadays, those un-uniformed boys would be called "unlawful enemy combatants" and sent to Gitmo, or worse.
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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The very first roots of the American Revolution actually began with backwoods mountain folks who were increasingly responding to being told what to do by the police by shooting them. Way out in the mountains, it was easy enough to get away with. The idea of just killing the "redcoats" (the police, which also were the local police in many instances caught hold). When it got big enough, then and only then did the rich and famous decide to go for creating their own country.

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    Those mountain folks lived in areas that were very difficult to travel to and among; they were very isolated. They had kin and neighbors around who would help and cover up whatever needed covering. There was no rapid overland transportation, and no instant communication as there is today. Those folks were on the edges of the frontier and accustomed to making their own way, their own "law", and enforcing it.


    Nothing really quite like that nowadays.

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    At what stage does that bring Mr. Garner back to life?

    Nobody said it would. At what stage would fighting have preserved his life? He was outnumbered and out gunned.

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    There is no money or staff for 400,000 rape kits. What does that mean?

    Memphis is hardly the only city that has started tackling the backlog. After 11,000 untested rape kits were discovered in a Detroit police storage facility in 2009, 1,600 have been tested and about 100 serial rapists have been identified—with 10 of them already convicted. Meanwhile, Cleveland police have cleared their backlog, sending the last of 3,985 rape kits discovered in 2009 for DNA testing this summer. So far, about 170 men have been indicted thanks to the forensic evidence.

    There are hundreds of thousands of unsolved major felonies. Not enough staff. Not enough manpower.

    But there is the money and time to have 4 officers take down a man that someone phoned in saying he was selling cigarettes one at a time without a license. There is time and money to have 4 officers present to arrest 2 girls for selling lemonaide. There is enough jail space for millions, but not enough then for truly murderous criminals. There is plenty of money for armies of regulators and inspectors for the billions of pages of regulations.

    It has become about the words "the law" - and whether than means jaywalking or being a serial rapist, there is no distinction - other than a ticket to that jaywalker is profitable.

    I'll ask it again. Do you think that is what the American Revolutionaries were fighting for under such banners as live free or die?

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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    At what stage does that bring Mr. Garner back to life?
    It doesn't.
    Clownboy is simply saying that there are avenues for a redress of grievances.
    How effective those avenues actually are is the big question.
    To the best of my knowledge, the cop who applied the banned chokehold in the Garner case was not punished.
    He's really, really sorry, though.
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    Re: Were Founding Fathers and American Revolutionary fighters evil terrorists?

    Brave people who resisted a dictatorial regime oppressing them from far away. That oppression was violent, unjust and ill conceived and the revolution was totally justified IMHO.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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