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Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • How the hell would I know?

    Votes: 21 26.9%

  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Who cares?

    Votes: 53 67.9%

  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Total voters
    78
Jack Hays said:
As already noted, I have no need to prove anything. The cited circumstance is suggestive, and that suffices.
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For whom? Apparently the American public doesn't care one way or another about this issue. Please stop trying, you're failing pretty badly. You went from suggesting Warren had benefited from her NA claims, to being cornered into admitting that there is no evidence that she did. It's depressing to see you do this to yourself.
 
Hatuey said:
For whom? Apparently the American public doesn't care one way or another about this issue. Please stop trying, you're failing pretty badly. You went from suggesting Warren had benefited from her NA claims, to being cornered into admitting that there is no evidence that she did. It's depressing to see you do this to yourself.
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Oh, I think she benefited. My point is that proof of same is unnecessary. The issue will remain available regardless.
 
Jack Hays said:
Oh, I think she benefited. My point is that proof of same is unnecessary. The issue will remain available regardless.
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Lol, you believe she benefited without proof. Good to know you admit how nonsensical your position has been since you started posting in this thread. :)
 
Hatuey said:
Lol, you believe she benefited without proof. Again, stop it, this is silly now.
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It's a judgment. We all believe lots of things we can't prove. Thing is, that's not even really important. As long as she fails to put it to rest she leaves an opening for an attack.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's a judgment. We all believe lots of things we can't prove. Thing is, that's not even really important. As long as she fails to put it to rest she leaves an opening for an attack.
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Yawn, being reduced to accepting you have no proof really must hurt your ego. :)
 
Hatuey said:
Lol, you believe she benefited without proof. Good to know you admit how nonsensical your position has been since you started posting in this thread. :)
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The "show crap against the wall and see what sticks" mentality.:lamo

Crap thrown, not sticking.;)
 
Jack Hays said:
You have missed the point entirely, as has Hatuey. In future I will use smaller words just for you two.
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Throwing accusations without proof is exactly what the "throw crap against the wall and see what sticks" mentality is all about.
 
Jack Hays said:
You have missed the point entirely, as has Hatuey. In future I will use smaller words just for you two.
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No need to resort to smaller words, try better ideas instead.
 
l dont understand such questions ,arent natives really natives WHO are supposed to be living here for hundreds of years :lol:

of course many of you may be half native half anglo
 
Hatuey said:
I'm getting bored with you. You simply don't understand that this is part of a larger pattern of people changing their names to fit into the society they live in. Is that really too complex for you to understand? The point however is that it doesn't mean much in terms of their integrity. It just means they made decisions based on what they believed would advance them in the society they lived in. :shrug:



It's almost like you don't understand larger points at all. Last time I explain this before you get aggravated that you're being beaten in a debate and decide to go into your ad-hom tirades:

How Obama dealt with his ethnic origins, what he named his kids, how he distanced himself from his racial identity are irrelevant to his integrity as a person. That's the point here. These examples (Ludmya, Piyush, Warren, McCain and Obama) all have the same thing in common. That thing being how people have dealt with their racial identity. The decisions they have made are A) personal and B) irrelevant to their politics. As such, they do not call integrity into question at any point because the "true" reasons behind them are known only to them. Do you get this yet? Or no? If you don't, then please don't respond. A person sounds incredibly uneducated when they fail to understand a point for 4+ posts (i.e. apologist).
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Mia Love didn't change her name any more than Sasha Obama changed her name. You don't understand the concept of nicknames, do you?

Bobby Jindal did what many first generation Americans have done - he anglicized his name at the age of 7. Do you think he did it so he would get a job in his later years?

And again, what do Mia Love using a nickname and Bobby Jindal Anglicizing his name have to do with Elizabeth Warren? Nothing.
 
tres borrachos said:
Mia Love didn't change her name any more than Sasha Obama changed her name. You don't understand the concept of nicknames, do you?

Bobby Jindal did what many first generation Americans have done - he anglicized his name at the age of 7. Do you think he did it so he would get a job in his later years?

And again, what do Mia Love using a nickname and Bobby Jindal Anglicizing his name have to do with Elizabeth Warren? Nothing.
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And Warren accepting what had been told to her by her family has nothing to do with integrity - except the possibility of those generations back that gave potentially false information.

Perhaps many generations ago Warrens family started the rumor (if it is rumor) so generations later Warren could possibly get a job.:lamo
 
year2late said:
And Warren accepting what had been told to her by her family has nothing to do with integrity - except the possibility of those generations back that gave potentially false information.

Perhaps many generations ago Warrens family started the rumor (if it is rumor) so generations later Warren could possibly get a job.:lamo
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I didn't say anything otherwise.

You'll have to ask Hatuey about the second part. He's the one who says kids give themselves "white" nicknames so they have an easier time finding a job.
 
tres borrachos said:
I didn't say anything otherwise.

You'll have to ask Hatuey about the second part. He's the one who says kids give themselves "white" nicknames so they have an easier time finding a job.
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I think kids accept nicknames that allow them to fit in. My guess is that his parents understood potential harsh realities of the future.
 
year2late said:
I think kids accept nicknames that allow them to fit in. My guess is that his parents understood potential harsh realities of the future.
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That's exactly why Bobby Jindal began calling himself Bobby. Just like my neighbors who are originally from India that I posted about. Their son has an Indian name yet when he was young he was called by an American name. Now as a grown up young man he appreciates it. He's American, not Indian, and as such wanted to be like the other American kids. The tradition of a name is one thing....what the kid is actually called is another.

Names can really hurt. I had a great friend growing up named Agnes. And she was one beautiful girl. My parents often said that it was pretty awful to saddle her with such an ugly name that isn't even common anymore (we were all named Sue and Karen and Linda and so on....).
 
tres borrachos said:
Mia Love didn't change her name any more than Sasha Obama changed her name.
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She never corrected people though. That again fits within the concept of Americanizing one's name to better fit in. This is getting tedious, do you get these points at all?

You don't understand the concept of nicknames, do you?

Bobby Jindal did what many first generation Americans have done - he anglicized his name at the age of 7. Do you think he did it so he would get a job in his later years?
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Piyush Jindal changed his name to fit in with his society. He distanced himself from his ethnic heritage. That is as much a decision on ethnic heritage as Warren deciding to identify as a NA because of her family lore. Neither calls into question their integrity. Is this too much for you? It seems like it is.

And again, what do Mia Love using a nickname and Bobby Jindal Anglicizing his name have to do with Elizabeth Warren? Nothing.
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That you are having trouble understanding these simple concepts is really not my problem. You seem to have trouble understanding ideas which involve doing a little more than reading what you see. Maybe the Religious forum is where you should go.
 
Hatuey said:
She never corrected people though. That again fits within the concept of Americanizing one's name to better fit in. This is getting tedious, do you get these points at all?



Piyush Jindal changed his name to fit in with his society. He distanced himself from his ethnic heritage. That is as much a decision on ethnic heritage as Warren deciding to identify as a NA because of her family lore. Neither calls into question their integrity. Is this too much for you? It seems like it is.



That you are having trouble understanding these simple concepts is really not my problem. You seem to have trouble understanding ideas which involve doing a little more than reading what you see. Maybe the Religious forum is where you should go.
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"Corrected people"? Huh? It's her nickname. It's what she's been called all her life. Bill Clinton's real name is William...was he supposed to correct people when they called him Bill?

And none of this has to do with the argument people in this thread (not me) are making that Warren benefitted from what is possibly a lie. There was no reason to bring Mia Love or Bobby Jindal into this. One has nothing to do with the other.
 
tres borrachos said:
"Corrected people"? Huh? It's her nickname.
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Which for all we know she gave herself just like Bobby Jindal did. Again, distancing oneself from one's ethnic heritage by modifying one's name or allowing others to do it is a decision based on racial politics. Ludmya Bordeau allowed others to change her name and discarded her clearly French last name (Bordeau). That is a decision based on how a person deals with their ethnic heritage. It doesn't call into question their integrity. It's almost like you don't get this yet.

It's what she's been called all her life. Bill Clinton's real name is William...was he supposed to correct people when they called him Bill?
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Would "Bill" have distanced him from his heritage in any real way? Was he named William/nicknamed Bill by parents seeking to give their children a better chance in a new country? No. Please understand these examples if you're going to discuss them in any meaningful manner. A better example would be Barack Obama's use of "Barry". He used it because as a child (and even maybe as a young adult) he sought to distance himself from his ethnic origins. "Barack" only became prominent as he sought to reconcile his distance from his ethnic heritage and even then he's distanced himself from Hussein in order to be more palatable to the average voter. These are decisions which happen every single day for minorities and they do not call into question their integrity anymore than Warren stating she's NA because of her family lore does. Do you get this yet?
 
Hatuey said:
Which for all we know she gave herself just like Bobby Jindal did. Again, distancing oneself from one's ethnic heritage by modifying one's name or allowing others to do it is a decision based on racial politics. Ludmya Bordeau allowed others to change her name and discarded her clearly French last name (Bordeau). That is a decision based on how a person deals with their ethnic heritage. It doesn't call into question their integrity. It's almost like you don't get this yet.



Would "Bill" have distanced him from his heritage in any real way? Was he named William/nicknamed Bill by parents seeking to give their children a better chance in a new country? No. Please understand these examples if you're going to discuss them in any meaningful manner. A better example would be Barack Obama's use of "Barry". He used it because as a child (and even maybe as a young adult) he sought to distance himself from his ethnic origins. "Barack" only became prominent as he sought to reconcile his distance from his ethnic heritage and even then he's distanced himself from Hussein in order to be more palatable to the average voter. These are decisions which happen every single day for minorities and they do not call into question their integrity anymore than Warren stating she's NA because of her family lore does. Do you get this yet?
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Mia Love's husband's name is Jason Love. That's why she "discarded her clearly French last name. I discarded my clearly German last name when I married my Irish/Swedish husband. That's what most women do when they marry.

Enjoy being ridiculously off topic.
 
tres borrachos said:
Mia Love's husband's name is Jason Love. That's why she "discarded her clearly French last name.
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No, no. Her legal name is Ludmya Bordeau Love. She goes by Mia Love. Again, a decision which no matter the circumstances distance her from her ethnic heritage. However, it doesn't call into question her integrity either. Do you get this yet? How a person decides to address their ethnic heritage does not call into question their integrity. It is a personal decision which has nothing to do with their actual politics.

I discarded my clearly German last name when I married my Irish/Swedish husband. That's what most women do when they marry.

Enjoy being ridiculously off topic.
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Tres, if you think I'm off topic. Report it. I've already stated that I am topic by the fact that I am addressing decisions based on ethnic heritage and these are just examples proving that integrity and racial identity can be mutually exclusive. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
No, no. Her legal name is Ludmya Bordeau Love. She goes by Mia Love. Again, a decision which no matter the circumstances distance her from her ethnic heritage. However, it doesn't call into question her integrity either. Do you get this yet? How a person decides to address their ethnic heritage does not call into question their integrity. It is a personal decision which has nothing to do with their actual politics.



Tres, if you think I'm off topic. Report it. I've already stated that I am topic by the fact that I am addressing decisions based on ethnic heritage and these are just examples proving that integrity and racial identity can be mutually exclusive. :shrug:
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My legal name is ******** !!!!!!! ******, the middle set of exclamation points being my maiden name. I don't "go by" my legal name. I use my first name and my last name, which I got when I married my husband. Same as Mia Love. She doesn't use her maiden name. She isn't hiding anything. If it makes you feel better to talk completely off the topic of Elizabeth Warren's heritage by talking about Mia Love using her husband's name, that's cool too. It's fun to watch and point out.

I don't need to report you. I don't need the mods to stop you. I don't care that you're deflecting from the issue of Warren and her ancestry. I like that it makes you feel better to do it.

Happy Tuesday!

By the way, since you're all worked up about names, Elizabeth Warren uses her ex-husband's name. She was born Elizabeth Harring, and was married to Jim Warren from the late 1960s to the late 1970s. She's been married to Bruce Mann since the early 1980s. Now that's a strange situation.

Okay, well have a good day Hatuey.
 
tres borrachos said:
My legal name is ******** !!!!!!! ******, the middle set of exclamation points being my maiden name. I don't "go by" my legal name.I use my first name and my last name, which I got when I married my husband. Same as Mia Love. She doesn't use her maiden name. She isn't hiding anything. If it makes you feel better to talk completely off the topic of Elizabeth Warren's heritage by talking about Mia Love using her husband's name, that's cool too. It's fun to watch and point out.
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What part of: Whatever reasons Ludmya Bordea Love did this for, they had the effect of distancing her from her ethnic heritage. Do you not understand? It's almost like you don't understand that the result is what matters and that result doesn't call into question their integrity because racial identity is not relevant to a person's integrity.

I don't need to report you. I don't need the mods to stop you. I don't care that you're deflecting from the issue of Warren and her ancestry. I like that it makes you feel better to do it.

Happy Tuesday!

By the way, since you're all worked up about names, Elizabeth Warren uses her ex-husband's name. She was born Elizabeth Harring, and was married to Jim Warren from the late 1960s to the late 1970s. She's been married to Bruce Mann since the early 1980s. Now that's a strange situation.

Okay, well have a good day Hatuey.
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These points really go far over your head, don't they? As I said, report it if it's off topic or quit accusing people of it so you can derail a thread.
 
Hatuey said:
What part of: Whatever reasons Ludmya Bordea Love did this for, they had the effect of distancing her from her ethnic heritage. Do you not understand? It's almost like you don't understand that the result is what matters and that result doesn't call into question their integrity because racial identity is not relevant to a person's integrity.



These points really go far over your head, don't they? As I said, report it if it's off topic or quit accusing people of it so you can derail a thread.
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The part where most women take their husband's last name legally when they get married. Pretty simple.

Hope your day goes well!
 
tres borrachos said:
The part where most women take their husband's last name legally when they get married.
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That is irrelevant to the point being made. Ludmya Bordeau Love is under no requirement to use her husband's name, or shorten Ludmya and discard Bordeau. Those were personal decisions which had the effect of distancing her from her ethnic heritage. However, they don't call her integrity into question anymore than Warren identifying with NA ancestry because of family lore. Do you not get this yet? Is this too tedious for you? I can give you books on this issue.
 
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